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michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not have you in his pocket. he would argue it's not a question of arguing. i did what i thought was right. >> and you never felt any direct pressure from him on what investigations the doj you did not directly pressure may as i say, he was out there tweeting and doing things that were embarrassing and made it hard for me to run the department that sounds like pressure wasn't pressure. it was just i mean, for example, i had decided that we were going to not agree to a sentence on stone that was three times longer than normal. >> and i'd already decided that. and then he was tweeting about stone. so it just made
michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not...
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let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is starting to take shape, are starting to understand how they're going to present their defense. >> and it's largely through the people's witnesses rather than going on the attack and going on the offensive against the witnesses that have testified so far, there sort of embracing the facts but saying yeah, these things happened. yeah, there was hush money paid, but we've been doing that. that was being done for everybody, wasn't had nothing to do with the election. this is just a business model and this is how it went. this is essentially how
let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is...
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try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post devlin barrett. he's the also the author of the coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. so i want to begin with this idea of of gary farro because his testimony in many respects was why i think that people may not have anticipated they were thinking about michael cohen and stormy daniels are thin
try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented...
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he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant attorney general, and marcus childress farmer, january 6, investigative counsel. everyone, thanks for being here. so first of all trump keeps complaining about this courthouse. is really that gold. i've been i've tried several cases in that courthouse it was hard when i was there, but i think they've done some renovations so i guess the answer is no. >> it is a dingy 19, i think 60s or 70s style bonfire of the vanities might be the best way to describe the courthouse. that probably hasn't undergone the kind of renovations that you thin
he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant...
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to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or sanchez in new york and i'm wolf blitzer here in washington. much more of our specialty what coverage of the trial is coming up and i'll be back in two hours in the situation room 6:00 p.m. eastern. but the lead with jake tapper starts right now
to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably, that is the defense, that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash that does sort of point to a level of interest in the sort of the nitty-gritty of the details on how to the defense poke holes are
and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage....
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by...
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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cohen, and david pecker. and then going through the karen mcdougal deal in great detail. so the prosecutor is having david pecker go through and identify that as karen mcdougal. that's a reference to this this person all too back up because this is a legal document, all to backup the testimony that pecker is just given. >> what thing at one point where the statement of facts first to a presidential candidate running for election in the united states of america. >> he said, i know this is silly question, but who are you referring to or who does that refer to and pecker had to point to donald trump right? >> an interesting, i think also, what do you make kara having been in the room so much at the lawyers, having to choose this to be pecker, to actually have to read it aloud to the jury. and now we're seeing the description trump's sitting back in his chair as arms folded across his chest, he appears to be reading the non-prosecution agreement on the screen in front of them. >> yeah. i mean, this is the thing w
cohen, and david pecker. and then going through the karen mcdougal deal in great detail. so the prosecutor is having david pecker go through and identify that as karen mcdougal. that's a reference to this this person all too back up because this is a legal document, all to backup the testimony that pecker is just given. >> what thing at one point where the statement of facts first to a presidential candidate running for election in the united states of america. >> he said, i know...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >> the prosecutor asked david if he knows. hope hicks? yes, i do. packer said so this is the first time the trump campaign aide and white house aide, hope hicks her name is brought up are expecting hope hicks at some point to be called as a witness. she was involved according to the prosecution in some of these conversations in one way or another, when it comes to paying michael cohen two after he paid allegedly stormy daniels. >> so while i hope hicks is so important is about the fallout of the access hollywood fall out. other allegation patients. what was the containment principles about where they trying to
said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >>...
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cohen. you've got a polluted source. so i think the defense will take a lot of time stressing that to the jury, and i agree with laurie, you don't leave it as a joke. for you don't leave your common sense at the door. and we're not talking about the atlantic or national review here. we're talking about the national enquirer you know, it's it's a shaky paper to begin with. and this is how they make their money. so if you can shift the focus here a little bit, and then when his former lawyer gets on the stand, when you go through his list of convictions and show what a polluted source he is. i think the defense can make a lot of hay with that. >> so the the defense and their opening statement definitely was trying to make a lot of hay out of michael cohen's reputation and proclivity for truth they said his entire career is based on attacking donald trump. they also went after stormy daniels suggesting that she's an opportunist& that the rendezvous she has talked about and written about in her book with donald trump never h
cohen. you've got a polluted source. so i think the defense will take a lot of time stressing that to the jury, and i agree with laurie, you don't leave it as a joke. for you don't leave your common sense at the door. and we're not talking about the atlantic or national review here. we're talking about the national enquirer you know, it's it's a shaky paper to begin with. and this is how they make their money. so if you can shift the focus here a little bit, and then when his former lawyer gets...
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and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this case, and he said stormy daniels testimony i'll salacious does not matter. anderson jake, thanks very much. >> back here with kaitlan collins. paula reid in new york just to pick up on that, going after stormy daniels. >> here's another update. it's not a scheme unless a scheme means something that doesn't matter. that's not illegal. blanche says of the catch and kill agreement with and there is nothing illegal about the caching killer so agreement as sleazy as it may be, exactly the argument way this case to be framed by the prosecution is that this was an effort to h
and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this...