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. >> i'm zachary cohen in washington and this is cnn the nfl draft comes to a close tonight with about a dozen picks left to go this year's first pick, one to the chicago bears, who selected quarterback caleb williams from usc. >> some of the other teams picks have a lot of people talking nfl analyst and bleacher report's maurice mountain joins us now and mo who won the draft this year? >> when the draft that was saved, the fifth eagles had a smashing draft class. i mean, you...
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what exactly are prosecutors looking to show as they call witnesses like michael cohen's former banker to the stand. and as they tried to walk this jury, there are a lot of documents well, with the banker, they're setting the stage of the finances that were arranged to pay off stormy daniels during the later phases of the story, which we know about broadly, but we don't have the details yet. >> so what they have also apparently are a lot of documents. what we don't know if they have or do not have is information or witnesses are documents that directly link donald trump to the falsification of the documents or whether that's going to be something that has to be inferred heard by a really overwhelming evidence that there's no other way it could have happened other than from his allowing it to happen that's a thinner case. if they have a direct witness or they have direct evidence, that's going to be a powerful case. so this is what keeping me on the edge of my seat as i watch what unfolds. >> right. because we don't know exactly who they're going to be calling at this point. they have n
what exactly are prosecutors looking to show as they call witnesses like michael cohen's former banker to the stand. and as they tried to walk this jury, there are a lot of documents well, with the banker, they're setting the stage of the finances that were arranged to pay off stormy daniels during the later phases of the story, which we know about broadly, but we don't have the details yet. >> so what they have also apparently are a lot of documents. what we don't know if they have or do...
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he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here michelle for through this, like everybody else. >> michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. kara scannell, cnn, new york and coming up former us attorney general, bill barr says donald trump should not be anywhere near the oval office, yet he still plans to vote for him assignment with hottie cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts pain means pause on the things you love. >> but brene me go cool the pain with bio free. and keep on going bio freeze. >> green means go verizon small business days are here. april 22 to the 28. get a fre
he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here michelle for through this, like everybody else. >> michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no...
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banker, who arranged his home equity line of credit, which cohen used to pay stormy daniels $130,000 in hush money. cnn's paula reid has more so we have another day or or freezing courthouse. it's very cold. the former president donald trump's still not warming up to the reality of being on trial in the new york hush money case. >> today in court, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, was back on the witness stand, tying pecker is non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors to an agreement he made to sell the national enquirer ideal contingent on the investigation into his company being resolved from a timing standpoint, it would have added onto the stress of the transaction. pecker testified they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons since beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's opponents. pecker testified that his magazine ran stories about bill and hillary clinton prior to the 2015 trump tower meeting were an agreement to help trump was allegedly breached running those stories was beneficial t
banker, who arranged his home equity line of credit, which cohen used to pay stormy daniels $130,000 in hush money. cnn's paula reid has more so we have another day or or freezing courthouse. it's very cold. the former president donald trump's still not warming up to the reality of being on trial in the new york hush money case. >> today in court, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, was back on the witness stand, tying pecker is non-prosecution agreement with...
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he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration? pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we all sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank everybody. i'm michele for through this, like everybody else michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. >> kara scannell, cnn, new york former president donald trump will also have a key hearing next week on the gag order against him. thursday morning. judge, merchan will weigh prosecutors arguments that trump violated the order four more times this week when he talked about michael cohen, david pecker, and the jury. that's an addition to ten other incidents which he is accused of violating the order joining us right now, camille vasco a
he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration? pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we all sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank everybody. i'm michele for through this, like everybody else michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but...
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nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein i'm zachary cohen and washington, and this is cnn bad publicity has sometimes better than no publicity at all. >> controversy in short, cells donald trump wrote that in his book, the art of the deal. and after a week of wall coverage of his criminal hush money, trial. follow embarrassing details about his personal life. crop must be hoping those words still hold true. >> so we have another day court and everything is very cold but on the stand scorching details from former national enquirer boss, david pecker. >> he testified about a scheme to get trump elected in 2016. pecker saying he told trump i would be your eyes and ears? her testified he told trump about two women playboy model, karen mcdougal and porn star stormy daniels, who had stories about alleged affairs with trump. pecker, paid mcdougal $150,000, then never published her story. part of a so-called catch and kill schemes. trump's lawyer asking pecker you had similar relationships with other people. pecker answering? i did. but the public seems unbothered
nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein i'm zachary cohen and washington, and this is cnn bad publicity has sometimes better than no publicity at all. >> controversy in short, cells donald trump wrote that in his book, the art of the deal. and after a week of wall coverage of his criminal hush money, trial. follow embarrassing details about his personal life. crop must be hoping those words still hold true. >> so we have another day court and...
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hurt him friday also brought short testimony from trump executive assistant rhona graff and michael cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the courtroom, the trial resumes again on tuesday, joining me now is criminal defendant it's attorney arthur aidala. arthur on that key issue of the purpose of the payments, the prosecution was able to get in through david pecker that this was about the campaign, not protecting trump's family how can trump get into evidence? his side of that unless he testifies good morning. and then say it's a privilege to be ali, sir, i'm a fan from a lot day that on television so you want to know the easy way, the easy way is at the end of people's case, donald trump takes the stand and he looks at the jury with the first question was of course, i didn't want bonnie to know about this. of course i didn't want my kids to know about this yeah. was there a part of it that i was running for president? >> yeah. >>
hurt him friday also brought short testimony from trump executive assistant rhona graff and michael cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the courtroom, the trial resumes again on tuesday, joining me now is criminal defendant it's attorney arthur aidala. arthur on that key issue of the purpose of the payments, the prosecution was able...
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a very stimulating, exciting, fascinating place to be a court is off on monday, but on tuesday when cohen's former banking associates will be back on the stand to wrap up his testimony. >> then it's unclear who the next significant witness will be. >> but again, it's only three-day trial week, next week, and the other thing we're waiting for is a decision from the judge about trump's alleged violations of the gag order with a hearing this past week about that, but we're still waiting for a decision there. and the alleged violations are racking up prosecutors alleged more violations. this week, and there's gonna be another hearing on gag order violations next weekend. amara, victory is unclear what the judges strategy is in holding playing out on a decision all right. >> paula reid. thank you. a ron's government is striking a defiant stance toward israel and the us. but the iranian people are concerned about the escalating tensions we will have a live report from iran. >> i see you in an exclusive former attorney general bill barr says that former president trump should not be anywhere near
a very stimulating, exciting, fascinating place to be a court is off on monday, but on tuesday when cohen's former banking associates will be back on the stand to wrap up his testimony. >> then it's unclear who the next significant witness will be. >> but again, it's only three-day trial week, next week, and the other thing we're waiting for is a decision from the judge about trump's alleged violations of the gag order with a hearing this past week about that, but we're still...
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he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in this courthouse i just want to thank everybody for being here. >> this, is like. everybody else michael cohen's bank or took the stand friday afternoon, he described to the jury how he helped cohen set up the shell company that was ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, so the banker will be back on the stand tuesday. we're prosecutors will continue to question him then, donald trump's attorneys will get a chance to cross-examine him as his trial continues into next week, amara victor, kara scannell. thanks so much and doing now by former federal prosecutor, at least we'll good morning to you. let me start here with david pecker and then kind of go through some of the other witnesses. the prosecution. they spent several hours with him trying to get him to explain the process of these catch and kill. the defense then went and tried to undermine some of the testimony
he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in this courthouse i just want to thank everybody for being here. >> this, is like. everybody else michael cohen's bank or took the stand friday afternoon, he described to the jury how he helped cohen set up the shell company that was ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday,...
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michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in order to get payment to stormy daniels. that's as far as we got in terms of the longtime assistant, all we heard is that we got confirmation that donald trump did have the contact information for karen mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he produced sort of establishing the timeline and the importance of getting those payments done before the election that will be crucial, right? absolutely. the urgency. so we learned the urgency that michael cohen had in order to get the payments made during that short period of time, not to sit on these payments, not to wait until after the election, but instead to get these payments that as soon as he requested it, which was shortly after the accident this hollywood tape had been released. so we got to learn to urgency and the importance o
michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in order to get payment to stormy daniels. that's as far as we got in terms of the longtime assistant, all we heard is that we got confirmation that donald trump did have the contact information for karen mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he...
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michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not have you in his pocket. he would argue it's not a question of arguing. i did what i thought was right. >> and you never felt any direct pressure from him on what investigations the doj you did not directly pressure may as i say, he was out there tweeting and doing things that were embarrassing and made it hard for me to run the department that sounds like pressure wasn't pressure. it was just i mean, for example, i had decided that we were going to not agree to a sentence on stone that was three times longer than normal. >> and i'd already decided that. and then he was tweeting about stone. so it just made
michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not...
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let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is starting to take shape, are starting to understand how they're going to present their defense. >> and it's largely through the people's witnesses rather than going on the attack and going on the offensive against the witnesses that have testified so far, there sort of embracing the facts but saying yeah, these things happened. yeah, there was hush money paid, but we've been doing that. that was being done for everybody, wasn't had nothing to do with the election. this is just a business model and this is how it went. this is essentially how
let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is...
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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the stand men that had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades. they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said things about him this way. >> if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also tried to make friends with trump again, so more like from the godfather, it's personal, not business and this is kind of that relationship anyways, so pretty yep description? >> yeah. all right. well, thank you all very much. >
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the...
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try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post devlin barrett. he's the also the author of the coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. so i want to begin with this idea of of gary farro because his testimony in many respects was why i think that people may not have anticipated they were thinking about michael cohen and stormy daniels are thin
try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented...
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he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant attorney general, and marcus childress farmer, january 6, investigative counsel. everyone, thanks for being here. so first of all trump keeps complaining about this courthouse. is really that gold. i've been i've tried several cases in that courthouse it was hard when i was there, but i think they've done some renovations so i guess the answer is no. >> it is a dingy 19, i think 60s or 70s style bonfire of the vanities might be the best way to describe the courthouse. that probably hasn't undergone the kind of renovations that you thin
he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant...
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i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro works. >> this is the bank through which the payment ultimately is going to be set up to be paid to stormy daniels from michael cohen, $130,000 to keep her story quiet. >> and what he's doing is piecing in new parts of the puzzle. the prosecutors want to be able to show the jury every step of the money and the effort toward paying off stormy daniels from donald trump's sphere. >> gary pharaoh is one of the people that can do that both with his testimony and with his evidence, he can help them show the documents, the emails, the exchanges, and a crucial document from him that
i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro...
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they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a
they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those...
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to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or sanchez in new york and i'm wolf blitzer here in washington. much more of our specialty what coverage of the trial is coming up and i'll be back in two hours in the situation room 6:00 p.m. eastern. but the lead with jake tapper starts right now cnn's breaking news welcome to the lead on jake tapper, right now, right this minute. i knew witness in donald trump's hush money cover up trial. the prosecution just called it's third witness. his name is gary pharaoh. gary pharaoh is a banker who worked with michael cohen at the time that the payments were made to former pla
to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or...
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to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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cohen went to prison for helping make that happen. but trump's take jumbling went to jail this had nothing to do with trump has said the judge won't let him attend his son's graduation when no decision has been made and the judge seems sympathetic to trump's request. ahead of jury selection, trump said, every legal scholar called the case against him absurd. when that is flatly untrue and he insists that the gag order makes it impossible for him to defend himself but all right we do have breaking news very shortly. >> us secretary state antony blinken will head back to the united states after key meetings in china, including with chinese leaders jinping, the secretary just spoke to cnn national security correspondent kylie atwood moments ago, kylie joins us from beijing kylie, what did he tell you well listen he said these conversations were certainly better than his conversations with chinese officials that happened here in beijing tag months ago. >> and that's because he said they were forthright about their differences. but one maj
cohen went to prison for helping make that happen. but trump's take jumbling went to jail this had nothing to do with trump has said the judge won't let him attend his son's graduation when no decision has been made and the judge seems sympathetic to trump's request. ahead of jury selection, trump said, every legal scholar called the case against him absurd. when that is flatly untrue and he insists that the gag order makes it impossible for him to defend himself but all right we do have...
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. >> david pecker testified that he had michael cohen in the loop. he had a conversation with donald trump about karen mcdougal's story, and then the national enquirer to the bosses pleasure that's trump decided to pay for that story and bury it so it would not be published before the 2016 election. he then testified about another type of very similar situation with a different outcome, where stormy daniels hill's came to the national enquirer pecker looped in michael cohen, let them know. he's not going to be paying for that. the national enquirer wouldn't be buying stormy daniels story and he testified that michael cohen told him that donald trump would be furious the national enquirer wasn't helping underlining all of this is david pecker testifying over and over again that he clearly understood trump had motivations to protect his campaign at that time. that their relationship shifted, that the way that they were buying stories and burying them shifted once donald trump came a presidential candidate, and that he understood at the national enquire
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an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to you? >> yeah. casey, good morning to you. what stands out to me is whether there's gonna be this delineation between the president's private conduct and between of cou
an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about...
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and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably, that is the defense, that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash that does sort of point to a level of interest in the sort of the nitty-gritty of the details on how to the defense poke holes are
and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage....
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he was at the heart of these deals and that he was involved in had many conversations with michael cohen. he served as the narrator taking the jurors inside of these catch and kill deals and testified repeatedly that he was involved and helped broker them to help donald trump's campaign. >> new details on the hush money payout to adult film star stormy daniels. back on the stand talking about how he brokered a deal in the center of the case against trump. he was questioned by the prosecution about the catch and kill scheme to capture an alleged affair with trump weeks before the 2016 election. the former publisher of the national inquirer testified he found out from his editor-in-chief that daniels was trying to sell a story that she had a sexual relationship and it would cost $120,000 to kill it. tiki said he told michael cole one about the story which he called very damaging. he said he was not going to pay daniel saint's company already purchased two other negative stories for trump totaling almost $200,000. he said i'm not purchasing this story i will not be involved with the porn st
he was at the heart of these deals and that he was involved in had many conversations with michael cohen. he served as the narrator taking the jurors inside of these catch and kill deals and testified repeatedly that he was involved and helped broker them to help donald trump's campaign. >> new details on the hush money payout to adult film star stormy daniels. back on the stand talking about how he brokered a deal in the center of the case against trump. he was questioned by the...
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
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is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of these all
is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he...
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pecker said cohen assured him, don't worry, i'm your friend boss will take care of it. mcdougal story was purchased but never published in the end, trump didn't reimburse the enquirer, don't trump ever say to you that he loved you? >> all the time. he always told me he loved me pecker testified after this interview in 2018, trump called upset. >> i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews. pecker recalled the ben president saying, but pecker testified the company's agreement with mcdougal was altered and allowed her to speak if a negative story was coming out with respect to donald trump, he was concerned about what the family may hear or say about it, not saying whether it was true or not. pecker testified after trump's campaign was announced, pecker said trump's concern shifted it was basically what the impact would be to the campaign and the election pecker said well, if we started the day wondering if the judge was going to make a decision about that recent gag order hearing, he did it, but prosecutors brought fo
pecker said cohen assured him, don't worry, i'm your friend boss will take care of it. mcdougal story was purchased but never published in the end, trump didn't reimburse the enquirer, don't trump ever say to you that he loved you? >> all the time. he always told me he loved me pecker testified after this interview in 2018, trump called upset. >> i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews. pecker recalled the ben president...
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. >> cnn's gabe cohen he is right now at gw university, george washington university here in washington game. what's going on where you are? >> yeah. so jake, we're right in the middle of this encampment on gwas campus. uh, take a look. we're gonna give you like a three full three 60 view here. there's a really large crowd occupying this part of this quad here on the campus. it's private property. the university sent campus police here earlier, try to clear out students the students refused, and now we understand that the school has called in dc's police department, metropolitan police, who are going to be arriving here. we expect around seven and they have said they are going to clear these students out. i've spoken with organizers who have said they're prepared to stay. they do not want to leave, even if police tell them they're going to and that they are prepared to potentially get arrested and come back if they're initially cleared out interesting these protesters spreading to campuses. all over the country. it seems yeah, that's right. >> you mentioned emory. we've seen it at colum
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cohen or he was asked about mr. cohen either way, micah cohen was discussed. here it is. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers it's a channel six action news exclusive. it says there it's also i'm the lawyer, but it's pretty cut and dry gaze of a violation of the gag order. i don't think that's going to stop at all. i think, you know, michael cohen is going to be front and center in donald trump's mind. he had a date today where it came out, tried to talk about the campaign, seemed a little unclear comfortable at that, wanted to press away, but didn't i think you're going to see time and time again and cohen's gonna do everything he can to try to draw them out early and often so that donald trump is going out and making comments like this about michael cohen. he is enemy number one for donald trump, and he's not gonna be able to help himself there. >> so now there's going to be an additional hearing next wednesday afternoon in all likelihood, with these new instances, do you th
cohen or he was asked about mr. cohen either way, micah cohen was discussed. here it is. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers it's a channel six action news exclusive. it says there it's also i'm the lawyer, but it's pretty cut and dry gaze of a violation of the gag order. i don't think that's going to stop at all. i think, you know, michael cohen is going to be front and center in donald trump's mind. he...
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cohen, and david pecker. and then going through the karen mcdougal deal in great detail. so the prosecutor is having david pecker go through and identify that as karen mcdougal. that's a reference to this this person all too back up because this is a legal document, all to backup the testimony that pecker is just given. >> what thing at one point where the statement of facts first to a presidential candidate running for election in the united states of america. >> he said, i know this is silly question, but who are you referring to or who does that refer to and pecker had to point to donald trump right? >> an interesting, i think also, what do you make kara having been in the room so much at the lawyers, having to choose this to be pecker, to actually have to read it aloud to the jury. and now we're seeing the description trump's sitting back in his chair as arms folded across his chest, he appears to be reading the non-prosecution agreement on the screen in front of them. >> yeah. i mean, this is the thing w
cohen, and david pecker. and then going through the karen mcdougal deal in great detail. so the prosecutor is having david pecker go through and identify that as karen mcdougal. that's a reference to this this person all too back up because this is a legal document, all to backup the testimony that pecker is just given. >> what thing at one point where the statement of facts first to a presidential candidate running for election in the united states of america. >> he said, i know...
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actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i michael cohen saying, we want your help on the campaign and specify that it was for the campaign that wasn't a meeting of we want i can to help because mr. concern about melania trump. trump is leaning back looking down at times at pecker as he testifies again, had the interaction between these two, given their long history, i'm going to be to be inside the mind of donald trump. what he must be thinking as he's watching david pecker right now well, the risk always when you have somebody who is known, someone for a very long time is you don't know what that person as a prosecutor, you don't don't know what th
actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i...
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however, listed as coconspirator number one cnn zach cohen is in phoenix. he's been looking through it all for us. zach talk us through what this indictments says yeah, this indictment contains non counts, including multiple felonies. >> it alleges that 11 fake electors from arizona and seven of trump's closest allies is immediate orbit after the 2020 election, they engaged in an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election results by deceiving the people of arizona into thinking trump won this state when he actually had not. and as you mentioned, this indictment does charge several bold-faced name decoding, mark meadows, trump's former white house staff. and who's but giuliani trump's former personal attorney, who's john eastman, who was that conservative attorney? that's been labeled as the architect of the fake electors plot. but it also includes some people that have not been charged in connection should with their alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. as you mentioned, boris epshteyn, who was one of trump's closest aides to this
however, listed as coconspirator number one cnn zach cohen is in phoenix. he's been looking through it all for us. zach talk us through what this indictments says yeah, this indictment contains non counts, including multiple felonies. >> it alleges that 11 fake electors from arizona and seven of trump's closest allies is immediate orbit after the 2020 election, they engaged in an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election results by deceiving the people of arizona into thinking...
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cnn's kristen holmes is in new york, zach cohen is in phoenix, arizona and supreme court analyst joan biskupic is of course, standing by in washington, kristen, let's begin with you before the former president headed heads to court, he actually made a campaign stop first yeah, that's right game. he went to this jpmorgan building it soon to be the headquarters. >> he met with some of the construction workers, some of the teams are members here it was both rank and file teamsters, union members, as well as just some working class voters. this is something that donald trump has been trying to effort in terms of his election been with joe biden, but it's also a good reminder that donald trump miss all of his legal issues is still running for president and still campaigning, or at least trying to against president joe biden crime two year in new york city is city that webb or joe biden by huge numbers, uh, tried to make campaign stops and talk to various for you as groups that might be more favorable to the former president. now we didn't get a chance to ask them some questions. i raised d
cnn's kristen holmes is in new york, zach cohen is in phoenix, arizona and supreme court analyst joan biskupic is of course, standing by in washington, kristen, let's begin with you before the former president headed heads to court, he actually made a campaign stop first yeah, that's right game. he went to this jpmorgan building it soon to be the headquarters. >> he met with some of the construction workers, some of the teams are members here it was both rank and file teamsters, union...
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to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children. >> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journal
to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental...
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that cohen would say this. may be reads like someone's advising him to do this or that he acknowledges that it might end up you might end up in a situation where trump is no longer gagged and attacking him. what do you think is going on here? >> yeah good morning to you, casey, i think it's the right call i think that right now this has to be about the trial and nothing but the trial we know of course it cohen is a central witness. we know of course the pecker and giving his testimony as he has and as you will resume doing so today really corroborates a lotto i think is designed obviously to lay out the scheme and corroborate michael cohen that we look at their. and so i think he takes himself away from the being the central role, or at least the central focus of trump's ire. and provide hi, it's or takes away any excuse that trump might have for being in contempt of court or violating the court order. and i think he takes himself right off the table. and so yes. to your point, casey, whether he's advised to do
that cohen would say this. may be reads like someone's advising him to do this or that he acknowledges that it might end up you might end up in a situation where trump is no longer gagged and attacking him. what do you think is going on here? >> yeah good morning to you, casey, i think it's the right call i think that right now this has to be about the trial and nothing but the trial we know of course it cohen is a central witness. we know of course the pecker and giving his testimony as...
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is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom? >> c
is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up....
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen...
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this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is
this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody...