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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying his longtime lawyer that involved $35,000.00 checks he signed in the oval office and it was all a coincidence and not of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we are going to talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with the payment plan to michael cohen. personally, i unintentionally loudly started in court when i heard this, which was not at all polite. it annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about that. we will talk about the first witness, whose name is packer because the news guns l
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start...
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the unfairness of it but nobody else in this case is free to say whatever they want including michael cohen. who is the state's star witness but he is not allowed to say anything. right now, the judge one where sean is deliberating over whether or not to charge him with violating the gag order. there is talk about can trump land in jail for it from things he has posted on social media and truth social. he says there will be an answer may be later on maybe tomorrow. >> sandra: he maintained that he called this gag order unconstitutional, john. >> people who peacefully protest are not throwing bottles and chairs. is very fire sale on those tents? there are some organizing going on. >> look at the tents. they were all the same color. to me, i think somebody is funding this. >> these encampments did not spring up spontaneously. it looks to me like they have some pretty expensive camping equipment out there as well. i think it is worth asking who is funding these organizations violating the law? >> john: the tents, look at the tents. nypd and city officials raising concerns and professional agit
the unfairness of it but nobody else in this case is free to say whatever they want including michael cohen. who is the state's star witness but he is not allowed to say anything. right now, the judge one where sean is deliberating over whether or not to charge him with violating the gag order. there is talk about can trump land in jail for it from things he has posted on social media and truth social. he says there will be an answer may be later on maybe tomorrow. >> sandra: he...
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pointing to the 2015 meeting as trump and michael cohen and then "national enquirer" publisher david packer where they worked out a plan to conceal public information with former adult film star stormy daniels, all of which trump denies. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. >> where you physically attracted to him? >> reporter: cohen admitted paying daniels money to -- prosecutors today called it to the porn star payoff. >> it's k says to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing. >> reporter: in court his attorney said that trump committed no crime, saying i have a spoiler alert, there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy. cbs news legal analyst rikki klieman said that today was one of the most important moments in the criminal trial. >> there are studies that say that 80% of jurors minds are made up at the end of the opening statements. >> reporter: is the prosecution's first witness, and buried brief testimony did not discuss the 2015 2015 meeting h trump and cohen, but acknowledge to pay for storied calling checkbook journalism. instead the c
pointing to the 2015 meeting as trump and michael cohen and then "national enquirer" publisher david packer where they worked out a plan to conceal public information with former adult film star stormy daniels, all of which trump denies. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. >> where you physically attracted to him? >> reporter: cohen admitted paying daniels money to -- prosecutors today called it to the porn star payoff. >> it's k says to bookkeeping,...
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and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories about the candidate only to bury them, a practice known as catch-and-kill. on the stand, pecker was blunt, "we used checkbook journalism. we paid for stories." he is testifying under a subpoena, having cut a deal with prosecutors to avoid charges himself. he was only on the stand for a few minutes today, but he'll be back tomorrow. leaving court, trump, who denies the affair with daniels, tried to downplay the case against him. >> it's a case as to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing in terms of the law. >> reporter: so, david, pecker is back tomorrow, david, but there will be arguments whether trump violated th
and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories...
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he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the charges and how we hear another kind of avenue that the prosecution is going down. >> right. well, there is the second misdemeanor, nothing one coming out of the new york code that said you illegally conspired to promote your own campaign. and as you sort of work your mind around that, they are saying that because you misidentified these funds and treated them as legal expenses, you were illegally trying to win that campaign. once again, most of us looking at this or at least many of us are saying wait, first of all, can you prove all these facts because they are
he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the...
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he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of where his head's at, right? he told judge merchan, you are losing all credibility with the court. that moment, lisa mentioned, stood out to all of us who were following along with the proceedings. how unusual is it to have a judge say that to a lawyer in a hearing like this and what do you think he's going to do? >> this is the first time i've ever heard it. i mean, it's key as a lawyer, you advocate for your client, but you need to be credible. you need to come across as being credible and advocate for your client at the same time, so the fact that the judge said this is very, very po
he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of...
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cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for prosecutors because he puts mr. trump in the room for this alleged plot. he's also useful because his name is not michael cohen and his testimony will continue tomorrow, lester. >> all right, laura, thank you. and hallie, this is a partisan prosecution in the opinion of mr. trump. >> yeah, that's what his campaign's been saying. and in some ways what we just heard in court, what laura has laid out, echoes what we have also heard from mr. trump himself on the campaign trail. his defense, casting him as a fighter, aggressively attacking central players in this case. familiar themes. now, th
cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for...
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is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a hearing happening, i think right now in an appeals court tied to this case, there's like 70 moving parts right now, what is this? all of a sudden we heard that there's a hearing that is going on just just uptown here the appeals scored a full panel is now hearing the former president's motion to change venue. now, he's already made this request a judge had ruled against an appeals court judge had ruled against that motion, but now the appeals court itself, though, the panama panel, that they feel court, is now hearing that motion. and so tha
is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a...
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effort to falsify business records, most of the allegation against trump specifically comes from michael cohen, his former lawyer. and the defense argument is michael: is simply a liar that cannot be trusted, period. the government's argument would be that he may be a liar and untrustworthy, but in this instance on this case with this evidence, there is enough corroboration of his account that you can believe him when he says trump knew about this. host: that is today's proceeding and what to expect. your story today in the "washington post," you talk about things to watch for, particularly tomorrow when it comes to the gag order given to the president. can you elaborate on that? guest: one of the ongoing legal fight of this whole process has been the things trump says outside of court, attacking the family members, the staffers of people involved in this process. and the prosecutors are asking the judge to hold him in contempt for the public statements he has made. trump is arguing he should not be punished for those things, that those payments were acceptable, but so far it looks like the ju
effort to falsify business records, most of the allegation against trump specifically comes from michael cohen, his former lawyer. and the defense argument is michael: is simply a liar that cannot be trusted, period. the government's argument would be that he may be a liar and untrustworthy, but in this instance on this case with this evidence, there is enough corroboration of his account that you can believe him when he says trump knew about this. host: that is today's proceeding and what to...
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trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today in bold a trump building doorman who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that a f
trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in...
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he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the stand himself, they're going to have a hard time putting that in front of the jury. that even that theory. that's something donald trump wants the public to believe, but i don't necessarily know they're ever going to hear about it in the jury box unless he testifies. through his questions of other witnesses that's something that's possible, but here's the key. there are prosecutors who were on bragg's team who worked and prosecuted the case against the trump organization and are extremely familiar with how these things work and so they have the goods to counteract that narrative.
he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the...
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said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >> the prosecutor asked david if he knows. hope hicks? yes, i do. packer said so this is the first time the trump campaign aide and white house aide, hope hicks her name is brought up are expecting hope hicks at some point to be called as a witness. she was involved according to the prosecution in some of these conversations in one way or another, when it comes to paying michael cohen two after he paid allegedly stormy daniels. >> so while i hope hicks is so important is about the fallout of the access hollywood fall out. other allegation patients. what was the containment principles about where they trying to
said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >>...
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cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the ooting? it's horrible. >> reporter: pecker told the jury he was convinced women could come forward with stories to sell because trump was the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. trump perking up at that description. and then visibly purr tuperturb as pecker started to detail one example. the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple tim
cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the...
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and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this case, and he said stormy daniels testimony i'll salacious does not matter. anderson jake, thanks very much. >> back here with kaitlan collins. paula reid in new york just to pick up on that, going after stormy daniels. >> here's another update. it's not a scheme unless a scheme means something that doesn't matter. that's not illegal. blanche says of the catch and kill agreement with and there is nothing illegal about the caching killer so agreement as sleazy as it may be, exactly the argument way this case to be framed by the prosecution is that this was an effort to h
and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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had several accounts at first public bank if there is some reporting that this is the bank that cohen used to wire the 130,000 payment to adult film actress stormy daniels so right now they're talking about his history as a banker and working with cohen and this comes after you mentioned the cross-examination finished for president trump's longtime executive assistant rhonda graft after days of david packer test when the graft was done in less than an hour she said she vaguely remembers seeing adult film actress stormy daniels at trump tower before the election assuming that stormy was there to discuss possibly joining the apprentice she described trump as a fair and respectful boss saying that he respected her intelligence and she would not have state of the trump organization for 34 years if you didn't need trump organization also paying for her attorneys and then david packer was on the witness stand earlier answering questions from both the das office and the trump lawyers he was asked about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission as wel
had several accounts at first public bank if there is some reporting that this is the bank that cohen used to wire the 130,000 payment to adult film actress stormy daniels so right now they're talking about his history as a banker and working with cohen and this comes after you mentioned the cross-examination finished for president trump's longtime executive assistant rhonda graft after days of david packer test when the graft was done in less than an hour she said she vaguely remembers seeing...
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but in response michael cohen tells fox news this. that quote, the facts will come out at the time of trial that contradicts the mischaracterizations of me. after the gag order hearing is completed we'll know if the former president could be fined. the testimony will continue. that from david pecker, the publisher of the "national enquirer" who will testify about the so-called catch and kill scheme in order to hide information damaging to the former president. then witness number two later this week, mcdougal, the former playboy playmate who claims she had a ten month affair with the president and paid for her silence by the "national enquirer" so voters would not find out about it during the 2016 presidential race. bret, back to you. >> bret: we don't have specific timing how long this will take to get this ruling, whatever it is this morning. >> no, we don't know if the judge will immediately rule on the bench or if he will take it under consideration. he will hear the arguments from both sides, prosecutors citing ten of those truth
but in response michael cohen tells fox news this. that quote, the facts will come out at the time of trial that contradicts the mischaracterizations of me. after the gag order hearing is completed we'll know if the former president could be fined. the testimony will continue. that from david pecker, the publisher of the "national enquirer" who will testify about the so-called catch and kill scheme in order to hide information damaging to the former president. then witness number two...
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trump was reimbursing michael cohen. he added that the prosecutors have put a sinister spin on this as if it is a crime but the jurors will learn that it is not. trump amped up the drama. he emphasized that mr. trump denies her claim saying daniels agreement to not spread false claims about trump is not illegal. it was mr. trump himself after the proceedings, giving some comments in new york city. here he is from yesterday. [video clip] >> they take this payment and call it a legal expense. this is what i got indicted on. they should be in georgia -- i should be in georgia now. i should be in florida. i should be in a lot of different places campaigning and i am sitting here. it is very unfair. the judge is conflicted. it is very unfair what is going on. i should be allowed to campaign. whoever heard of this. to be indicted for that? people in the courts cannot believe it. this is the case. we did something wrong. why didn't the district bring it to look at it? why did not other agencies and law enforcement groups look a
trump was reimbursing michael cohen. he added that the prosecutors have put a sinister spin on this as if it is a crime but the jurors will learn that it is not. trump amped up the drama. he emphasized that mr. trump denies her claim saying daniels agreement to not spread false claims about trump is not illegal. it was mr. trump himself after the proceedings, giving some comments in new york city. here he is from yesterday. [video clip] >> they take this payment and call it a legal...
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it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened and a case that should have never been filed and it was really an incredible day. open your eyes, we can't let this continue to happen to our country. >> sandra: open your eyes he said. andy, the case should never have been filed all ask you a question i asked the ladies of moment ago is becoming more and more apparent to the american public that that is indeed the case? >> it may be sandra but, you know, wanting i would caution, i agree with everything jonathan said and the other attorneys criticizing the weakness of the case but we are trained lawyers, you know, w
it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have...
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michael cohen who has no criminal they said. michael cohen wants to see president trump go to prison. the prosecution said it was former president trump who broke the law. the defendant sat quietly at that event's table at times, former president trump shook his head and objection to what he was hearing. prosecutor told the hushed courtroom that trump orchestrated an illegal plan to corrupt the 2016 presidential election, "this case is about a criminal conspiracy in the cover-up. it was election fraud, pure and simple." he said david packer, the former publisher of the "national enquirer" who is expected to be the first witness will detail how the illegal scheme worked. and what he and trump talk ab about. he will detail how trump desperately wanted to hide his affair with her which is why the tabloid paid for mcdougall story but never ran it. as for stormy daniels, "trump reimbursed his lawyer to pay her money and promise the jury they will hear a tape of trump talking about paying cash. he said the three men, trump, conspired
michael cohen who has no criminal they said. michael cohen wants to see president trump go to prison. the prosecution said it was former president trump who broke the law. the defendant sat quietly at that event's table at times, former president trump shook his head and objection to what he was hearing. prosecutor told the hushed courtroom that trump orchestrated an illegal plan to corrupt the 2016 presidential election, "this case is about a criminal conspiracy in the cover-up. it was...
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michael cohen's inclusion in that order is ridiculous. cohen has gone on the air every day attacking the president and also calling for his defeat in the election. and this court is saying that for the whole course of this case you cannot respond to michael cohen. and i think a lot of judges would look at that with a great deal of skepticism. if he is held in contempt, this will allow an appeal to go forward as to the scope of that order. i think the judge is being stubborn here. it doesn't mean that a gag order would not apply. but it is too broad. more importantly, it is related to what is happening in washington. this whole circus in manhattan is what happens when you have the weaponization of the criminal justice system. you have a d.a. that is now holding the presidential candidate in a new york court with the assistance of a new york judge, not allowing him to campaign and then holding him in contempt when he responds to someone who is effectively campaigning against him. so at some point the courts will have to look at this and say
michael cohen's inclusion in that order is ridiculous. cohen has gone on the air every day attacking the president and also calling for his defeat in the election. and this court is saying that for the whole course of this case you cannot respond to michael cohen. and i think a lot of judges would look at that with a great deal of skepticism. if he is held in contempt, this will allow an appeal to go forward as to the scope of that order. i think the judge is being stubborn here. it doesn't...
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manhattan district attorney alvin bragg said trump said they were for cohen's legal fees. >> the grand jury found 34 documents with this critical false statement. why did donald trump repeatedly make these false statements? the evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election. >> but the former president and defendant has been harshly criticizing the case saying he left everything to his accountants because he was busy being president when he started signs those checks in february of 2017 a few weeks after his inauguration. >> i was paying a lawyer and wrote it down as legal expense. an accountant marked it down as a legal expense. that's what it was. you get indicted over that? >> the trial is beginning now. the president came in, did not make any comments when he arrived at the courthouse. if he does comment on what david pecker says it would be a violation of the gag order. under that gag order he has strongly protested not allowed to comment about any of the witnesses in the case, including his friend david pecker. martha, back to you. >> dana: and
manhattan district attorney alvin bragg said trump said they were for cohen's legal fees. >> the grand jury found 34 documents with this critical false statement. why did donald trump repeatedly make these false statements? the evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election. >> but the former president and defendant has been harshly criticizing the case saying he left everything to his accountants because he was busy being president when he...
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we may hear it from michael cohen in the future. so far all those claims have been hearsay and what we've heard from david pecker while he wanted to protect the president and michael cohen did, too, we haven't heard that those words were from the former president himself as it concerns the election. back to you. >> shannon: eric shawn at the courthouse. dana. want to bring in jonathan turley watching all of this. david pecker's cross examination continues today. what else should trump's team do to try to explain to the jury that this was not illegal? >> they are doing a good job largely allowing the case to collapse on its own weight. this case thus far is about a good a model as prosecution as the titanic is a good model for navigation. i don't understand why they would start with pecker. in my view he is disastrous. first of all, i'm speaking as a criminal defense attorney. what most good prosecutors, if they know the criminal defense attorney will bring up something damaging will bring it up themselves. the most damaging aspect o
we may hear it from michael cohen in the future. so far all those claims have been hearsay and what we've heard from david pecker while he wanted to protect the president and michael cohen did, too, we haven't heard that those words were from the former president himself as it concerns the election. back to you. >> shannon: eric shawn at the courthouse. dana. want to bring in jonathan turley watching all of this. david pecker's cross examination continues today. what else should trump's...
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trump's posts on social media targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in criminal contempt for violating the judge's gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me. they can say whatever they want. they can lie. but i'm not allowed to say anything. i would love to say everything that's on my mind. >> reporter: in court, the defense arguing mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks, and the gag order should not cover reposts of someone else. the judge didn't rule today, but seemed exasperated, telling lead defense attorney todd blanche you are losing all credibility with the court. minutes later during a break, mr. trump back on truth social, falsely writing the judge had taken away his right to free speech. "this is a kangaroo court." >> laura, you were in the courtroom today. what were some of your impressions? >> well, lester, this jury is engaged. they're paying attention. they're looking at the exhibits on the screen in front of them. they're listening carefully to the witness, david pe
trump's posts on social media targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in criminal contempt for violating the judge's gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me. they can say whatever they want. they can lie. but i'm not allowed to say anything. i would love to say everything that's on my mind. >> reporter: in court, the defense arguing mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks, and the gag...
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with at a time where he feels that he is forcibly gagged and cannot say anything but full like michael cohen and others are allowed to say whatever they want and however, they want, jonathan turley the law professor and fox news contributor good to see you an interesting week. >> thank you. >> neil: we thought this would have a stumbling start but it seems to be going at a fast pace you've heard the trump legal folk saying that it is almost like a rush job going on here what do you make of all of this? >> i am quite astonished it has gone this quickly i would be surprised at just a conventional case not one with the trump as a defendant to have jury selection go this quickly in a major case. but it looks like we are set for monday and the frustration of the president i think as well based i think it's well based on two points, one is that this is a put in the prosecution you can say that the mara lago prosecution is based on established law that one harder to make the argument, on this one is not this is clearly a political prosecution in my view second the gag order is a standard device use
with at a time where he feels that he is forcibly gagged and cannot say anything but full like michael cohen and others are allowed to say whatever they want and however, they want, jonathan turley the law professor and fox news contributor good to see you an interesting week. >> thank you. >> neil: we thought this would have a stumbling start but it seems to be going at a fast pace you've heard the trump legal folk saying that it is almost like a rush job going on here what do you...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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then if it comes down to just michael cohen saying he did know, it will be a michael cohen versus donald trump and the jury will have to decide who they believe more. >> bill: trump's attorneys said just tell us. the judge said i won't make that order. see you tomorrow morning. today is tomorrow morning. >> dana: thank you. we'll see you next week, too. >> thank you very much. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: bill, the hawkeyes looking for a new star guard following clark's departure for the wnba and found their answer in lucy olson. she will transfer from villanova to iowa next season. she was a ncaa third leading scorer last season averaging more than 23 points per game. we'll have to wait and see if olson can bring iowa to the national title game for the third season and see if they can beat south carolina next year. >> bill: so interesting now that you can transfer. >> dana: like being in the nba. interesting. good luck, ladies. >> bill: from iowa we move to the middle east. tensions are back up yet again. officials saying in the u.s. that israel launched retaliatory strikes on iran. w
then if it comes down to just michael cohen saying he did know, it will be a michael cohen versus donald trump and the jury will have to decide who they believe more. >> bill: trump's attorneys said just tell us. the judge said i won't make that order. see you tomorrow morning. today is tomorrow morning. >> dana: thank you. we'll see you next week, too. >> thank you very much. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: bill, the hawkeyes looking for a new star guard following...
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to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or sanchez in new york and i'm wolf blitzer here in washington. much more of our specialty what coverage of the trial is coming up and i'll be back in two hours in the situation room 6:00 p.m. eastern. but the lead with jake tapper starts right now cnn's breaking news welcome to the lead on jake tapper, right now, right this minute. i knew witness in donald trump's hush money cover up trial. the prosecution just called it's third witness. his name is gary pharaoh. gary pharaoh is a banker who worked with michael cohen at the time that the payments were made to former pla
to cohen's account because quote, cohen was known to be challenging mr. fair. apparently it was good with difficult clients but he insisted cohen is not difficult, but we haven't gotten to really why he is on the stand. we don't know if this is gonna be about payments to stormy daniels or cohen's home equity line. it's unclear, but stay tuned because we continue to get these lives updates from inside the court bit of a mystery late on a friday afternoon, paula reid. thank you so much i've or...
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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. >> trump's lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts, and he tried to argue that the
and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong on the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. uh, he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up, that according to cohen and we're cohen will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing do
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase
i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering...
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corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most significant point it's, it's all about tying this back. this, these actions back specifically to the election because the prosecution has to show the furtherance of another crime, presumably violation of election laws, campaign finance laws. they have to eliminate that defense of i would kill the story for any other reason just because i'm a high-profile they'll person when it's directly tied to the election planting of stories against political opponents is different than killing a story about your personal life. clearly that shows motivation related to the election and jake, that's why this s
corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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let's michael cohen is it pretty easy to show michael cohen committed a crime given he spent time in prison. yeah he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. >> the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how we committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that and what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is starting to take shape, are starting to understand how they're going to present their defense. >> and it's largely through the people's witnesses rather than going on the attack and going on the offensive against the witnesses that have testified so far, there's sort of embracing the facts, but saying yeah, these things happened. yeah, there was hush money paid, but we've been doing that. that was being done for everybody. it wasn't had nothing to do with the election. this is just a business model and this is how it went. this is, this is essentially how david pecker made his money an
let's michael cohen is it pretty easy to show michael cohen committed a crime given he spent time in prison. yeah he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. >> the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how we committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that and what do i think what stood out to me this week is the...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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that cohen was making these deals. there is uncertainty as to who would hold the rights, who would get payment and when. all of it seems to come down to michael cohen. sort of doing this on the fly. i also believe the jury will have this weird moment where you have michael cohen saying i think you should put my former client in jail for following my advice. i mean, he was the architect of these payments. he was the person driving this. pecker said he got angry with him when he did not do what michael cohen told him to do. that puts a lot of emphasis on cohen and not trump. >> sandra: as you said all that we are sitting here on the set saying what are these moments? i mean, think about exactly what jonathan turley just said could be the case, carrie. >> i thought it was also interesting that david packer testified that donald trump would not pay for stories normally because he would say what is the point? it gets out anyway. so, my question is then when did that start and the reason i ask that is because is it possible
that cohen was making these deals. there is uncertainty as to who would hold the rights, who would get payment and when. all of it seems to come down to michael cohen. sort of doing this on the fly. i also believe the jury will have this weird moment where you have michael cohen saying i think you should put my former client in jail for following my advice. i mean, he was the architect of these payments. he was the person driving this. pecker said he got angry with him when he did not do what...
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so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump, cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly installments through fake invoices to the trump organization. prosecutors peter said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past. and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony, then it was trump's attorneys turned blanche said the da's office should never have brought this case he said the prosecution story is not true and the jury will find plenty of reasonable doubt. he pivoted to paint trump as a husband and father, saying he's a person just like you and just like me, trump's team suggested the payments trump made to cohen. we're not a payback for funds paid to stormy daniels, but instead payments do as personal attorney trump defended himself against these charges after court on monday and invoice. >> so whatever, a bill. >> and they didn't call it a legal expense. >> i got indicted for that land shifted blame to cohen saying the reality is mr
so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump, cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly installments through fake invoices to the trump organization. prosecutors peter said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past. and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony, then it was trump's attorneys turned blanche said the da's office...