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the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president emmanuel. the crown says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion,

the prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guest over desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert on international order in brussels, we for and to spear emmanuel to a month. he is a lecture at leon university and in nice we crossed to alex, become a low, rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst, or a gentleman called cycles. and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zalinski. so it,

i don't see that is m b a and beauty. i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead alex find to do anything. right? it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about. really funny because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple going all along the lines. you can say he's going to send troops in a line breaks, or if you create, makes a request. so i think you create would have already made that requested that i had a chance to make a request. these, these are you applying the sky ideas? and i felt like little napoleon here he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need a while made. it was really not even bathroom on it. you talk any st politician. nobody wants to go until you create official. now the other side of that coin is, we know that since 2014 and couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody sit on the ground in ukraine officially. so what does this make of what the prices are stable, big, big difference actually when you're looking at the maddox your face, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of

rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. wines have been broken time and time again because you created a body off, their backing off. their mind is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. so why would background say this pastor? i mean you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe. and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear. you are they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sword as much as i. you're rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes have the adults in the room and we know with macro and that within we, although, who looked like the adult in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, the slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the,

the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato, but you know, it'd be the, the way the conditions that he said they know if the lines break. and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy, alfred. or obviously a plan is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrow against uh, boston eventually just to say face to declare war on process, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear

a states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break the gridlock. you would need to break the break as you need to accept the fact that the whether we would like it or not. we live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. what is not only mat crohn whose mad on it is joe biden, and anthony, blinking, and all of shots and his foreign minister, and recei. uh, so like this 4 minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh. using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now the other 2 brought up a camera on i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very loosely said, you know, that you, you,

craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush i brush are proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush or use by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. you looks like and not chief of for the western states and the re friend so. so trying to take the lead, know of the narrow chief for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along. russia should lewisville war and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or the relies, there being a doctor that means interpreting risk of crises from the beginning per notice.

they understand more, more about or, or just not to less fate and the imagery, and much more like overall wisdom the just been, don't know what to do more to, to steal up your ice cream or andrew, are the wave of filed is to increase, or the your ok should not chief like cook reaching troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french. both of you, your good or so these are in town or the debate in france, we'd be a nixton's jump in part of an approaching wherever. the particular thought to be money when michael is very, is going to lose the butter. because or somebody of bonus ronada these main or position be so we still bothered on nothing. nothing is no but dollar

dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money going back home. so the money and my clue liked great falsities, not cheap of being very strongly international. they don't have very many. well, let me ask the question, do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine? apparently they're already there. so i'm a, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow the chrome to make that decision. i mean, or you, even the people make a decision here the same, this, the stikes, the stakes, are so high for someone pastoring. yes. that's right. of each center will speak. oh sure. it looks like your view is narrow tape is increasing and the rising mistakes on in the end. we don't know because to look pretty border or imaging about home might to b, u feel obliged to do something to do. it was in to really troops officially. we don't know, but or many general are seen for us expos safety issues. she's are,

you will be a disaster or because for us as not because i really teach with strategic, i'm big. you t, your need, the, you sure military company beatitude behind and for us as is not ready for i entered city wall. this is why it is so denture was renewal, but to be honest with you, some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact. and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the ground? and the, even though we've been minimum, rudy, but of troops or each wouldn't be a disaster and must have french deeper. does that really bucks if you main politic, are parties of position does that? we'd be but, but it would be smart tv student going on a think until the end of your painted extra is made maybe. well, i mean, you know, if it was good and let me go to alex back and needs it. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes

are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know, the problem alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy and what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i, what are the say the rest of wants to take over? all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea. if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool government. and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more common sense that the, that running the show at the top 5 for russia to take over you crazy again. and that, that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the to the that they're holding the land and the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak. their language ross bought their right to teach their, their kids russian. what their rights to how they're signed up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see. you have been around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so what russia did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush.

i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your brushing missiles. don't have to go off of the border of the youtube to hit their targets, just like western missiles. don't have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle ukraine, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends, and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever. obviously the you went of see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups, the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash for this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use, you could use as content bought or in those ports abilities are going through. this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you,

before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is background going to do then? well, they say that the red pression mercenaries of what, well the power in leaf, and they say, is already there. they say the forwarding legion's already there. the form is ever again, j. c, up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now. just like probably all righty i going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion about you can stay with our team. the russian states never is as tight as i'm sort of the most sense. community invest ingles all sense and up

to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia to day and split the r t smooth neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services for what question did you say a request, which is the 1941 with the nazis health situation, ultram nationalist. the you astonishes the claim, the independent state of croatia. shortly off, the seizing power. they build the scene of us concentration camp a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world

war 2. use dash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime. conditions in the scene of us come with a renders the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners. they sent them a consultation temps. so most of them died 6 was incredible genocide of the the welcome back. the prospect were all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt . your mind you were discussing. you create the

okay, let's go back to l for it in geneva, which is for every action there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rushes decided to a start exercise is a, a new killer drills for them. cooper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree. but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. ah, no, i do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world. they're peril of reality and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brainwashing. i mean, and it's not only new york times working on pose cnn. frank. well down define it's,

i don't even hear in switzerland, you re nonsense and, and all i have to over to the title. and organizations like mine, i'm in the genie international peace research institute. the get rate, we have put out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the are all say to a for the whole in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland and i'm also as a citizen, we're going to have uh, in may in june. this um, so called peace conference as the builder and stuck on lake road south. now they are going to be a lot of blueprints for piece. the 10 point plan off. uh, sure landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but uh, the 12 point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind of the africans is good. uh,

the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also, both frances has put out a plan. so there are ideas out there, and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead the conference to this car, the 10 point applying of isolated scale as totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for that, you mentioned a member of the countries around the world, the entry individual, the pope in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to pair menu. all right, now, um, but no western leader does that. no western lead,

no one in nato. does that include this analogy, right? hang on, perfect, hang on, hang on, pollutants. and now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward, appearing menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden? people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining security for all players. they never talked about language. go ahead and brussels. yeah. so unfortunately are, i've seen it in europe and the member states of natal. i'm not through the silver ring anymore, but resp or are they your? i think they the she to more or while you are g to up to your awesome are why are to be 0 attempting system with

a run ca. we'd be nate to that to have an independent vice and this is like your, the, your pencil, competing to be the best artist of washington. and you're trying to also, at the same time, true she to of, of, back to you in case of her trunk would be elected because they seem to the united states with the less um, less, it'd be present in europe in office. but that's a sick time of a your before oh, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in to be sure, or is a monique of washington in europe and to, to, to found available own leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict between visual here menu. well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here,

but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this from a crown. he is, he's what he's channeling his inner, the gall, he can't find it. um, cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go exactly. oh, because or the part that you kind of trust is there a free and very your low quality to be frank, those since the departure of the board and for us on more more you've been seeing prison on the front. small more lines on the i would say, or under sex on the water, we vote to the independent voice. and or it might even more cool. sure. does in the, in the experience of the read crises of low instruction on whether last president

with experience in war and or they use it, they don't understand this new merch put on war because they come from in the ideal jeter butler upfront, it should do takes the lead was your project, but the v e u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the the can be done on the stand up to position them serve. in this new emergency, put our work, emoji. we're actually due is losing power on the left side only. uh, and hardwood cvt quote, we think will be the speaker will be all the rest of our the wait, we have that you polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want, we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving

a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are your guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk? suppose people, instead of the post follow patients with drugs, obviously, but i don't think the if he talked anybody that's close anywhere here. you're a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking into carissa, you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it, especially the crisis i get outside of the you talk with the serve use, you know there's, there's a whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush. like if i had them del court it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. those stations know exactly what

happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungry that you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something out. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as a us incursions in vietnam. failed saying was that your wasn't carson in afghanistan failed the why stuff? it very easily. just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in

a very difficult position. there are intelligent people liked to meet the vault. will have uh said, very intelligent brings you have in german. a guy falls on shore and blog, and several old are full of patients, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are how exec in the service of washington, or wait one day, historians will tell us. or if you're with lores, that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of proofs. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at

that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologist what was wrong with these decision makers. why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know your opinion leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember, his fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher crock. paul, we arrive. oh, the 1st world war is taught each and do each countries

a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue. we came to with 1st of all because we were miscalculations or a lot of properties on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers, to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sides, so need to and that's yukon and do mobile or people or folks upper influence very read the more more i tell not cheap p expos, whichever tools to what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and also, or many military expos, actually would be lying on tv, on the root situation. because they've been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what research is not happening and are very, very find only gra cvt on the well no, i didn't work at it cuz they're not sound. they were going to end the program on

the same. you know that we started it, this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for gentleman that's all the time we have a want to thank my guessing nice brussels and engineers. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. at ortiz, see you next time. and remember across the rules, the, [000:00:00;00] the, when the world's largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions for react, the

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