where, frankly, there's a slow motion invasion that doesn't have the drama of what we saw in gaza city and other parts of the gaza strip. in any case, i think we moved into a new phase where the u.s. has finally said look, that's it. we're out. we're not going to provide you with the weapons to drop bombs on civilian populations or provide you with the small arms to do this. the question is does that salvage a ceasefire in the coming days or not or do we go into a tenuous status quo where everybody's interpretation about what's happening is different? >> we should note there are already people being told to evacuate from different parts of rafah to others leaving their things behind in camps and relocating. that is "all in" on this wednesday night. coverage you're doing.

it was december of 2022 when the justice department first announced the historic indictment of a well-known billionaire and politica >> sam mangman-fried now under arrest and facing multiple charges. >> reporter: today sam bankman-fried founder and ceo of crypto exchange ftx is facing criminal indictments and a wave of civil complaints. >> the sam bankman-fried indictment complicated financial instruments, international currency s,exchanges, and a who lot more.ng it was a first of its kind case for the justice department and for the judicial system that would hear that case, and it took ten months for that case with all its myriad complexities to go to trial. sam bankman-fried was indicted infr the month of december. by the following october he was

sitting in a courtroom. as it turns out that is a fair lestandard amount of time for major cases. in october of 2017 former trump campaign manager paul manafort was arrested and charged by robert mueller in washington, d.c. for money laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent. mueller followed that with more related tax and bank fraud charges in virginia a few months later. so two high stakes cases involving the former campaign manager of a sitting u.s. president. but even with all that, the time from manafort's initial arrest to the first day of his first trial in virginia was just four months. manafort was arrested in october and by the following july he was sitting in a f courtroom facing jury of hisou peers. oath keepers leader stuart rodes was charged by the justice department for carrying out a seditious conspiracy against the united states on january 6,

2021. rodes was arrested january 2022. by that october his trial had begun. and that was nottr an easy case for the prosecution by any means. seditious conspiracy charges have only been brought a handful ofen times in our nation's histy and to mixed results at trial. but by november of 2022, just 11 months after the justice department first brought those charges, stewart rhodes was convicted. >> these convictions were the result of tireless work by justice department agents, attorneys, analysts, and support staff beginning in january 2021 with a methodical collection of evidence and continuing through the presentation of that evidence during the seven-week trial that began in october of 2022. the skill and dedication are in the very best tradition of the justice iodepartment, and we ar

all extremely grateful to them. >> 11 months from arrest to conviction. today it has usually been 11 months since donald trump wasn indicted by the justice departmentju on 37 counts relat to the alleged mishandling of classified documents at his florida beach club in mar-a-lago, 11 months today. highly complex cases, novel cases,as cases involving trump' allies and his loyal followers, they have gone to trial in nine or ten months. by 11 months some of them had already reached a jury verdict. but here we are 11 months out from trump's arrest in the classified documents case, and we still have no idea when it will actually go to a trial. theicates was originally scheduled to go to trial later this month, and we have been waiting for the judge in that case tog set a new trial date r more than two months. but last night judge aileen cannon instead of setting that

new date delayed the trial indefinitely. this is from cannon's order releasedan yesterday. the court has evaluated the statutory factors set forth in the speedy trial act including the public's interest in the efficient administration of justice. upon such review the court finds the ends t of justice served by this continuous outweigh the best interest of the public and defendants in a speedy trial. translation, speedy trial be damned, i'mia pumping the break. so mark this trial on your calenders for the 57th of nebruary. it also means both of trump's federal cases are delayed. remember they'vede put trump's election interference case on ice as we await ruling whether trump can claim immunity from prosecution. nobody really expects the

justice to issue a final ruling on its immunity claim yet and also the court with wait two months if it wants to -- if it issues a ruling at all. there's several indications from several conservative justices they would like to kick the presidentiale immunity case ba toit lower courts for further review, whichfu would mean even more delays. and now today yet another one of trump's criminal cases is facing a potentially indefinitely delay. that would be fulton county district attorney fani willis' conspiracy case against trump and 14 codefendants. that case was headed to trial until one of trump's codefendants tried to get d.a. willis disqualified because of her romantic relationship with her prosecutor. in march judge mcafee allowed her to remain on the case as long as her lead prosecutor resigned, which he did. but the judge left the door open for trump and his team to

appeal. this morning they said they will consider that appeal meaning justice delayed again. again again. now for the past three weeks in new yorkpa city the nation has seen it is possible for the former president to sit for a criminal trial during an election year, that the system of justice can in fact manage theof novelty of the first american president sitting trial just like anyone else. but the delays in his other cases raise serious questions about whether donald trump's status as a former president and current presidential candidate are slowing the wheels of justice at precisely the moment whenly his status as a current presidential candidate should be a reason for a swift resolution to these cases. the american judicial system can moveic with relative alacrity o complex seditious conspiracies, and foreignti election

interference. so whyti not now? joining me now is melissa murray, law professor at nyu. also with me is anna bower, courts correspondent and legal fellow for law fair. thank you for being with me tonight. melissa, it doesn't seem like a coincidence that all of the trump trials have been delay would the exception of new york. can you disabuse me of the notion somehow these judges are giving him preferential treatment? >> i know donald trumpfe likesr say he'sru been treated poorly relative to other defendants, buthe certainly no other defendt in america has been allowed to sort of play out the system in the way he has. and the immunity case i think is a really great example. as you say he is running for president, which means if he is actually entitled to criminal to know he would want that right now rather than labor with this sort of damocles over

criminal liability over his head. instead he seems perfectly happy to let the supreme court take its sweet time in deciding. i think you're right it's unlikely we'll get a decision from the supreme court tomorrow. the decision in georgia that was a case moving and had considerable momentum. remember in september and early october wean saw kenneth cheseb please guilty. they plead all the up the chain. it's not the kind of ethics quandary that typically we really focus on. usually we're concerned where prosecutor had a relationship with a judge or a juror or a witness. here she has a relationship with someone else on her team. not the best optics but not something thats necessarily prejudices the defendant. scott mcafee conceded that when he wrote it in his order.

we watched that whole spectacle of the motion and now we see it's going to be a spectacle again as it goes up on appeal. >> and i know i've been following thei' georgia case as well as all the other cases. is the expectation mcafee says he wants to keep the train on the track as it were as the appeals process plays out. is thatoc possible? >> i thinkt. it's possible. there are a number of pending motions judge mcafee has yet to hold hearings on or rule on. i think he plans to make issued rulings on those motions, keep the train moving in that respect, but where things get a little bit thorny is where it comes toho setting a trial date maybe starting to impanel a jury, because in fulton county we expect it's going to take a long's time to impanel a jury. there's another rico case there that isco ongoing that it took over a year to impanel a jury. so there are things he'll be

maybe hesitant to do because he likely does not have jurisdiction to enter judgment of conviction, and he's going to be very concerned that even if the court of appeals doesn't stay or put things on pause because trump's team can still ask the court of appeals to put things on pause independent of what judge mcafee wants to do. but even if they allow him to keepen doing pretrial matters, just simply doesn't have jourkz to actually enter judgment of conviction. >> so his hands are essentially tied and there is no trial date right now. >> there is no trial date right now, but i do want to suggest there is a possibility we could get other defendants who are tried before the election or at least before 2025. keep in mind this motion -- excuse me, thisep appeal take-u up by the georgia court of appeals only involves a few defendants who joined the motion

to disqualify fani willis. there are other who didn't join it and essentially waived their right to make this motion to disqualify because they missed the deadline. and some of those defendants including people like john eastman have said they want to be tried before 2025. they don't wantor to be tried wh donald trump. so it's possible mcafee could separate out those defendants and have t a smaller grouping o people who are tried. and that's important because fulton county prosecutors have said they want to bring all the evidence that they would against trump against all these other defendants. >> well, right. that would be a sneak preview of the case they're building against trump, which again doesn't necessarily serve the prosecution's interests. we haven't talked about florida, we have not talked about judge cannon. i'll just read it. i'm sorry to sound so incredulous, but it is somewhat incredible. substantive pretrial motions, discovery disputes, and classified document issues many

of which present novel and difficult questions are the reason that judge cannon cannot even set a date for this trial. >> so to be fair to judge cannon these cases are complicated. but that doesn't mean they're impossible. we have a lot of people who have had trials based on their retention of classified information and who are now sitting in federal penitentiaries because of it.es there's a timetable that is expeditious while respecting the rights to the defendant of a fair trial. i don't give her a pass on this. some who are cynical would say it seems judge cannon is in the bag for donald trump. she's taken issues that most judges would have decidedha in different fashion, andde she's given them a very conscientious

airing. >> that is generous, melissa. conscientious, in-person hearings for fairly cockamamie, nonofficial legal term -- >> hearingsff for things other judges would have decidedgs on e papersde quickly in the interes ofth having the defendant have s say but alsofe in the interest efficiency. and she's o given everything, every argument, even the ones specious to the point of being stupid of fair airing and a lot ofan attention. so i think at this point in time we've already seen judge cannon make some missteps and saw her make missteps before this case was even assigned to her in pretrial phase and she was rebuked by the 11th circuit. maybe she's being incredibly tentative and careful because she knows everyone is watching, but at some point you've got to say come on, this isn't moving at all and the most open and

shut case. >> exactly. people have retained classified documents before. mostie of them plead out but th has been tried before. there is protocol. she's note even setting a date. >> again, she's someone who doesn't have experience doing criminaldo trials. she was an appellate lawyer, did civil work. she's only had about four criminal trials, mostly anodyne, rudimentary, fair. this is more complicated, but again she seems to be moving at a very languid pace like she has all the time in the world when, in fact, we don't. i think it's worth thinking about, andrew and i talk about it in our book this is an open shut case. >> anna, the one -- the only gamenn in town is the manhattan case,nh is alvin bragg's case. we know stormy daniels is coming back for cross-examination tomorrow. we do have an expectation what we're going to see tomorrow, and

we know i think the prosecution said they want to wrapk up the case in thehe next week and a hf now. whatha is your expectation for e sort of short-term? >> we ended with this cross-examination of stormy daniels that wasin attacking he potential bias or motives against donald trump. and we also know that the defense has saidow that they wa toe portray her as an extortionist. they want to portray trump as being the victim of some kind oe extortion plot in which stormy daniels was trying to get money from him and basically kind of coerce him into or threaten him into buying her story, which he claimed as false. we ended with getting into some more cross-examination, moving away from potential bias or motivero and into this portrayi heris as an extortionist. we've talked before about why this extortion defense is not something that is relevant to the charjs, but i think we're going to getch more of that. i think the cross-examination is very likely to be quite long.

i don't think we're near the end yet because the defense council has said from the beginning in opening statements that their rely on e seems to taking down the credibility of michael d cohen and stormy daniels. and then, yes, we do think the prosecution based on what they represented in court within the next two weeks could wrap up. they said that could take potentially a bit longer. and then there is the defense that has an opportunity to call witnesses. my understanding is they do not seem to have many witnesses they intend to call. >> ind wonder why that is. >> i believe there is maybe one expert witnessma they wanted to call -- i'm not sure if they will -- related to some of the campaign finance elements ofof e case. so we'll see. and then of course there's the big question of whether or not donald trump himself will take the stand. >> that is the million dollar

question. thank you guys so much for your expertise and judiciousness this evening. coming up marjorie taylor greene's flame out as she tries tuesday oust speaker mike johnson. but first here's donald trump breaking ground with a golden shovel in 2018. the shovel and the hole that trump dug that day are now back in thetr news and not in a good way. that's next. a good way. that's next.

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in wisconsin the president also boasting about a $10 billion investment from fox calm, an electronics giant based in taiwan. >> this is 20 million feet plus. this will be one of the largest jobs ever built in the world. >> in 2018 donald trump traveled to the village of mt. pleasant in wic where he used a literal golden shovel to break ground on what he said would be the eighth wonder of the world. the project trump was touting was a deal with a taiwanese electronics company fox kom. they said they would build a manufacturing plant investing $10 million of their own money to do so and creating what they and trump claimed would be 13,000 jobs.

in response the state of wisconsin was expecting to give foxconn billions in incentives. with the promise of that many jobs the government of mt. pleasant practically destroyed itself trying to make this plant a reality. >> to make the plant possible mt. pleasant has ended up borrowing money to buy up land. >> mt. pleasant is on track to spend close to $900 million in land acquisition and infrastructure. that's 38 times our annual budget. >> to clear room for the giant factory the local government spent so much money buying up that land, that the town itself had its credit rating downgraded. 100 homes and farms were bulldozed to make room for this plant. >> this is prairie view drive. and this road here used to lead into an entire neighborhood of

houses. but foxconn's building they've been cleared out and residents are asking was it worth it. kim is one of them. she built her custom home in this subdivision with a dozen neighbors. >> the whole process has been somewhat of a nightmare. >> reporter: now hers is the last house standing. she says she received a low ball appraisal so she stood her ground. >> i think this whole project was a scam. >> there's a real fear that we have been taken for a ride. our only hope is that they build something. >> unfortunately, the residents of wisconsin were taken for a ride. foxconn did build a small factory but it only employs about 1,000 people. the massive 20 million foot factory with 13,000 jobs never materialized. but today, six years after getting sold a bill of goods by

donald trump and his golden shovel racine, wisconsin, got a new deal. today president biden was there to announce a $3.3 billion investment by microsoft to build a new data center. the project is expected to create more than 2,000 union construction jobs and another 2,000 union data center jobs, jobs which microsoft is partnering with local technical colleges to train the local workforce. and this new data center will be built on the same land that locals cleared for donald trump's foxconn plant. president biden is quite literally fixing donald trump's broken promises. the question now is will voters notice? former white house press secretary robert gibbs and former senator claire mccaskill join me to discuss that next. e join me to discuss that next

and they're all coming? those who are still with us, yes.

grandpa! what's this? your wings. light 'em up! gentlemen, it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. for the past few months president biden has traveled across the country attempting to spread the word about his major domestic policy achievements, achievements which amount to about $1.6 trillion in economic investments including infrastructure projects and climate mitigation measures. this is all part of an effort to counter what the white house calls trump amnesia. that's where voters give donald

trump more credit for the u.s. economy than he is do, which apparently is a very real thing as evidence by a new political poll today showing voters give donald trump almost as much cred as biden for advancing infrastructure spending. voters seem to know very little about what biden has signed into law. a majority of respondents said they haven't seen, read, or anything about three of biden pfs four major domestic policy successes. joining me now to discuss is former white house press secretary under president obama robert gibbs and former u.s. senator claire mccaskill. thank you for being here both. claire, is it that less than 17% of this money has actually been spent? is that the problem americans aren't feeling it? that seems to be a two-pronged issue, though, because by the time it's spent it could be a second trump administration. how does biden counter this problem? >> well, he's going to have to go granular and do it in the states that matter, and he's got

to pull out those projects. i think we forget sometimes in the national media scene how important local news is. and when a bridge is getting fixed and a road is getting paved or where there's a problematic problem with broadband, if there's a new factory being built, that really resonates at the local level, and that's what they really have to focus on. but really what he's fighting here and my friend mr. gibbs i think is going to be an expert on this, is people are most likely to give a candidate they like credit for everything, and a candidate they don't like, blame them for every problem there is in the world. so that's what he's fighting here. he's fighting we are a very divided nation right now, and it's very hard for the calcified support that trump has, that base support he has, it's very hard for them to actually give credit to biden, which he deserves. all trump did was talk about

infrastructure of a wall. he didn't get to any of it. >> we played the foxconn con job where donald trump is out there with a golden shovel and nothing materializes from it. and here's biden literally fixing the problem. it is endlessly i think frustrating for anybody who cares about the truth to watch this all unfold and not have the person who's fixing things get the credit for it. >> undoubtedly i feel like i'm watching a rerun of 2009 and 2010 with the recovery act. let me build a little bit on what claire said. let's go to those local newscasts. it's great in wisconsin. you're going to see a lot of the powerful lead in you had tonight, alex, but what i want the biden campaign to do and i know they're in the process of doing this and you've seen some of it already is i want during the 5:00 newscasts locally, the 5:30 newscasts, the 6:00

newscasts, i want them to see a paid political ad. i want them to see a minute long emotional story you just unwound of what happened when a town literally mortgaged its future in the hopes of something better only to be jilted, and now to have that story end in a positive way. you need emotion and you need grit for a political ad to bleed in. and this has every bit of it, but it's not going to be one thing that joe biden does. he's going to have to get on air force one and tell people about it. they're going have to spend a lot of money on it, knock on doors and talk to people about it. the good news is it's going to matter in six places or seven places at most, so we know it's a defined universe and they can do that. they're raising a record amount of money and they'll likely have to spend a record amount of money to get people to understand what they've done legislatively. >> i hate to be like the doomsayer here but the reality of spending thus far it hasn't

moved the needle for biden. politico reports biden spent $21.8 million in march, trump spent $3.7 million. does not seems to have moved the needle much and he's spending three times as much, claire. >> he's in a much better place than he was six months ago. he had pretty good numbers out of wisconsin. maybe it's the impact of him coming to fix up the lies and con job trump participated in. there is a cumulative fact, and keep in mind polling is all about trends. it's not about one poll or another poll, it's about trends. and just because he hasn't moved the needle doesn't mean he won't especially in places like pennsylvania and ohio and wisconsin and michigan and nevada and arizona. those states where he really has to make sure, and georgia where he really has to make sure that he grabs those electoral votes just like he did last time. >> yeah, i want to get your

thoughts, robert, on how biden was messaging this. he was asked on cnn this evening if he was asked if he was worried on running out of time to turn around consumer confidence. and biden's response was we're already worried about a turn around. they think the nation is not in good shape but they are personally in good shape. the polling data has been wrong all along. what do you think of that approach? >> well, i think he's got part of it right. i think he can tell the story about, yes, the numbers have moved, yes, the numbers are different. but i always want to hear him say but we know the prices are still too high, we know there's more work to do, and we're here to do it, but i think and sometimes this happens with presidents. i saw this with the president i worked for, sometimes see it with president biden as well. they're anxious to tell you that everything is better. they want to go through the

statistics. lord knows president obama did ad nauseam on statistics. people don't live necessarily through the michigan consumer survey. they live through how much eggs are on aisle 12, right? and so i want to hear him talk about the fact there's still -- there's still work to be done. that's a second term, but i want him to kind of in a bad sort of clinton way i want him to feel the pain, feel your pain and not just sort of wish it away and think that i can talk the economy into or talk people's pocketbook issues into being better than they may be. >> today, claire, the president to that end confirmed that u.s. bombs killed civilians in gaza and said the u.s. will not supply bomb weapons for israel to attack rafah. do you think that's a meaningful? it appears to be a meaningful statement. do you think it sort of puts him in a better place with a certain section of the electorate?

>> first of all, it is what strong presidents do. it's what strong leaders do, and i think him exuding strength at this point is incredibly important. and what he said to bibi netanyahu is stop it. there is a different way for you to pursue the horrific terrorists that invaded your country and committed atrocities against israeli innocent citizens and children. and i think that is what he did today. i think it's very important. and i think robert's right. i don't think the president should keep saying everything's okay in the economy. he needs to say i'm going to go after these big food conglomerates, the same way i went after pharma. i got your insulin down to $35 a month. i'm going to do the same thing to these food corporations profit tearing off your backs. robert gibbs, thank you for your time. the great claire mccaskill, please stick around.

we have one more topic to discuss this evening. still ahead marjorie taylor greene finally made good on her weeks long promise to oust speaker mike johnson and it failed immediately and spectacularly. we're going to talk about what lawmaker calls the dumpster fire in congress. t what lawmaker calls the dumpster fire in congress.

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this is the uni-party for the american people watching. >> gentle lady will sus spend. >> marjorie taylor greene stood on the house floor today to do what she's been threatening to do for weeks, to try to oust speaker mike johnson, and this is how her republican colleagues responded. >> stunts like this does not unify our conference. we will not be distracted by marjorie taylor greene. >> do you thing marjorie taylor greene should be punished? >> one dumpster fire at a time. >> green's motion to vacate failed in a 359-43 vote with over three quarters of the democratic caucus voting against it. after the vote speaker mike johnson did what i guess is a victory lap. >> hopefully this is the end of the personality politic and the frivolous character assassination that has defined

the 118th congress. joining me now is brenden buck, msnbc political analyst and back with me former senator claire mccaskill. brenden, marjorie taylor greene versus the uni party who's winning? >> the uni party if that's a thing. we've been paying close attention to really unserious people like marjorie taylor greene, and i think for once not just the republicans and the democrats, the institution stood up for itself a little bit and said we're not going to do this anymore. and when that threat to take out the speaker goes away i think the calculus in the house is very, very different. and even when it wasn't such a live issue, i can tell you the speakers were always thinking about this, at least the last four republican speakers were always thinking about this. i think it's a really important moment. we're not out of the clear by

any stretch. i don't think this is the last we've seen of marjorie taylor greene but a positive step for the house. >> just to be clear, claire, democratserize the one who saved speaker johnson here. and moments before high saved him he was out there spinning conspiracy theories about election fraud and saying you should be concerned illegal aliens might be voting in 2024. this guy is not a centrist rockefeller republican. and my question is should democrats have extracted more of a price? >> i think so. i think brennen is right this was good for the institution, but i don't think we can say marjorie taylor greene lost because what they have turned their party into is a performative show. and let's be honest she was jealous of laureen boebert when laureen boebert took out mccarthy. and she knows the base of the republican party is not

interested in solving any problems. they are more interested in tearing down government. so that's what she was doing today. she was putting on a show, and guess what? she'll raise a boat load of money over the next 24 hours from the people who think donald trump is the second coming. >> to that end and to your point earlier, brenden, donald trump truth socialed today, i absolutely love marjorie taylor greene. however, right now the republicans have to be fighting the radical left democrats with the majority of one shortly growing to three or four we're not voting on a position to vacate. at some point we very well may be, but this is not the time. if you're johnson are you like with friends like these who needs enemies, not even voting to take it off the table. >> and mccarthy did everything he thought he could to keep donald trump in a good place, and it didn't really save him. johnson lost about the same number of votes as kevin

mccarthy did even the obvious different dynamic here democrats were there. i think the question we all need to be thinking about is if marjorie taylor greene does this again a week from now or two weeks from now or a month from now, how long are democrats going to be able to stomach saving him? i think they got something for this the first time. it was bringing up ukraine aid, but there's going to be a lot of things mike johnson is going to need to do over the next few months to try to get back in good graces with republicans. he's going to want to do something to mount some defenses there, and those things will probably come at the cost of good will with democrats. i think he'll probably survive this congress, but it's going to be very unpopular within that congress. if she keeps doing this she can do this every single day if she wants to. >> so far she's stayed in this job longer than a fruit fly is

alive, so that's something to crow about i guess. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it you. still ahead tonight one of our presidential candidates has admitted to suffering from cognitive problems including memory loss that's not perhaps who you think it is and the reason is almost certainly not what you think it is. we're going to talk about brain worms next. t is we're going to talk about brain worms next

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visit xfinitymobile.com today. here's the headline. rfk jr. says doctors found a dead worm in his brain. "the new york times" suzan craig reports in a deposition he argue he had cognitive problems that diminished his earnings potential. as proof he described a time in 2010 where doctors found a worm that got into his brain and ate a portion of it and then died. in that deposition and interview with "the times" kennedy has claimed to suffer from short and long-term memory loss perhaps because of that brain parasite or mercury poisoning and atrial

defibrillation and hepatitis c. suzanne, can we talk about this worm? is it still in his head, and how much do we think it's potentially impairing him? >> it's still in his braen, it's dead, and it's been calcified. once you have a worm in your brain and it dies it doesn't go anywhere. the worm was probably alive in his brain for several years and wouldn't know it. normally what happens when a worm dies and lives in your brain, your brain is actually really good at dealing with it, it sort of copes with it. but when the worm starts to die, the worm causes inflammation, and that's where the problems start. and normally when people have this condition, they show up at a hospital with seizures. so it was interesting that in 2010 bobby kennedy he's suffering from he said severe long and short-term memory loss.

and he goes -- you may have a brain tumor and his uncle teddy had just died of brain cancer the year before. but he also at the same time got a test done for mercury poisoning, so i'm going to get to that in a minute. so heez gou to the hospital and he gets scans on his brain and all of the top surgeons and the neuro surgeons in the country are sent the scan. he knows who they are because they had just dealt with ted kennedy, and several of them concluded he had a brain tumor. he was immediately scheduled for surgery down at duke university by the same doctor that operated on teddy kennedy. and then out of the blue while he's packing he gets a call from a doctor at new york presbyterian and he said that doctor said, look, you have not urged a surgery. i don't think you have a brain tumor. i think there's a parasite in your head and i want you to come in. so bobby went with that rather than going for the brain surgery. >> sure. wouldn't we all rather have a

worm in our head than a brain tumor. >> that was the option. and it turned out he did subsequent scans, it didn't grow and they said they determined it's a worm. he didn't know what type but a lot of experts i talk to said it was a tapeworm. but the interesting part of this is the symptoms of that are not the memory loss he was describing. so it turns out the mercury poisoning is likely the cause of the memory loss, which is another just whole thing. he had mercury poisoning, which is crazy because he is a anti-vaxxer. >> he's obsessed with mercury. >> he's obsessed with mercury and he also was an environmentalist for years and dealt with mercury in fish. he told me he was eating a really heavy diet every day of tuna fish, sushi tuna and perch. so a wealthy man's diet? >> well, it's not an environmentalist diet. health and also overfishing.

>> i asked him about that, and he just said i love tuna fish sandwiches, so he was eating them all the time and he got mercury poisoning. which you can never say for sure but i think that's probably after talking to a number of experts that's what caused the memory loss. and you asked a good question at the outset, which is how does this come into play now, and the hard part is we don't know. he would not release his medical records to "the new york times," and we're relying on him as we are with the two other presidential candidates for the state of their health. it's really hard because he says he's fully recovered. we just -- we don't know, and he has other conditions as well like he has atrial fib rillilation and he said he suffered from that for decades. he said he hasn't had an incident in more than a decade. it can go away like anything with medicine. anything can really happen. and we're relying on him to -- him as a narrator of that. and also i talked to doctors who

say you can have a heart event and not even know it. you know, it's. >> well, at this point today rfk jr. is tweeting i offered to eat five more brain worms and i feel confident with the results even with a six worm handicap. ha, ha, ha. i understand why he'd want to make light of it but actually it's a serious issue if he's talking about running for president. >> he has three neurlogical cessions, two of which we knew nothing about until today. he's got the brain worm, the mercury poisoning and separately as a voice condition which is a neuro condition. >> and in your interactions with kennedy and the kennedy campaign it feels at least what you've reported they just brushed this aside. >> he did give me an interview and we talked about it, but his answer to everything was this happened and it's all good now. and when i followed up he wouldn't engage on releasing his medical records. >> reporter: the only reason you know about this is from a deposition?

>> right because i reviewed -- i found this information in a deposition through my reporting. >> and yet here we are one of three presidential candidates, a man with a huge amount of power in the coming race to make it or break it. >> and he's made it on several ballots in the country and gained access to pretty much every state, and he's marching towards that. so he will have -- he'll be a deciding factor one way or another in the election. it's a very consequential -- he's a very consequential individual in my view in this upcoming presidential race. >> not just in your view. i think wildly held. incredible reporting, suzanne craig, as usual. thank you for making the time. that is show for tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. during the previous administration my predecessor made promises which he broke more than kept and left a