thanks for spending time with us on a pretty busy news night and show. as mentioned, you can find the entire full interview with robert f. kennedy now for free on msnbc.com/ari. our youtube play list you'll find that interview. if you have any reason you want to watch it. if not, well, join me here tomorrow, 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- if ivanka weren't my

daughter, perhaps i would be dating her. my daughter is beautiful. ivanka. >> by the way, your daughter -- >> she's beautiful. >> can i say this, a piece of ass. >> yeah. >> who else could say those kinds of creepy things and still become president of the united states? he got away with it in 2016. and he's again showing that he can about with impunity and almost always get away with it. that includes the very convenient delays in three of his criminal trials. which now almost certainly will not happen before election day, if they happen at all. plus, in the critical fight for control of the u.s. senate, a maryland seat could flip to the republicans. angela alsobrooks, a democrat who will try to prevent that from happening joins me tonight. ♪♪ but we begin tonight with donald trump's life of impunity. trump is a man who has never

faced any real consequences for his actions. it's like letting a child do whatever they want. you know what you'll get when they grow up. trump does and says whatever until his behavior becomes more and more offensive and absurd and then he just gets away with it. this sad fact about the people who raised him and the sycophants who propped up his failures and ego is currently playing out in front of us all. today, he got a break in georgia. an appeals court agreed to consider his appeal to have fulton county d.a. fani willis disqualified from his election interference case. likely delaying that case even further. and in a case literally anyone else would already be in prison for, trump's mishandle of classified documents, his personal judge aileen cannon delayed it indefinitely. it was scheduled to start later this month. can't do it. too many unresolved issues.

his hush money election interference case, trump seems to violate his gag order everyday. yesterday he got yet another warning. this time for cursing and shaking his head during key witness testimony. but he hasn't gotten thrown in jail like the rest of us would have by now. if we were talking about literally anyone else, i would say that this was the luckiest man on the planet. but he's not. it's just yet another example of the sense of personal impunity that dictates donald trump's entire life. and the ultimate display of his sense of personal impunity was this sickening got to use some just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. i start kissing them. just a magnet. kiss kis. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. i can do anything. >> trump's belief in his own impunity is at the heart of every aspect of his hush money election interference trial.

and that's exactly how 2005 era trump became a direct threat to the 2016 trump who was running for president. because in 2006, the year after he claimed when you're a star they let you do it, he was living up to it, as his new wife melania and infant son barren were back at home. it was in june, 2006, that playboy model karen mcdougal says she met trump during the taping of celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion and they began an affair. the next month, he took his playboy money mistress to a golf tournament in lake tahoe. she says she footed the bill with the promise of reimbursement from trump. which anyone who has ever done business with him knows was unlikely. and it was at that tournament that he met the other central figure in his most pressing legal issue. porn actress stormy daniels. he invited her to his hotel suite and leaned on his celebrity status to get her to sleep with him. with promises of a possible role

on his show. instead, he wanted something much more basic. in her testimony on tuesday, she said that after using the restroom in trump's suite, quote, when i opened the bathroom door to come out, mr. trump had come into the bedroom and was on the bed, basically between myself and the exit. wearing nothing but his underwear. she said at one point during the brief and not exactly enthusiastic sexual encounter that followed, i just thought, oh my god, what did i misread to get here? and that she just wanted to be anyone but there. the reality is donald trump could never have goated a porn star into his bed let alone become president of the united states without that era, a semifailed real estate developer propped up by a television show that gave him the appearance of being a successful businessman. so when he ran for president in 2016, his history as a crap businessman wasn't what haunted him. it was the women. one of the things that's fall into the memory hole is just how

much of a crisis trump's 2016 campaign was in by the time we found out about the "access hollywood" tape. after more than a year of the worst imaginable press while running against hillary clinton, the first woman nominated by a major party. and most of it was self inflicted. starting with his response to questions from then fox host megyn kelly during a primary debate. >> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her, wherever. >> donald trump said the following about you. quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that. can you imagine that, the face of our next president? >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, has to be some form. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card.

>> and that doesn't even include the sexually derogatory term he used to describe clinton's loss in the 2008 primary or the tweet criticizing the looks of his rival ted cruz's wife. and remember, it wasn't as though donald trump's extensive history of rampant misogamy was any secret. for decades when he was still a bill clinton democrat, he found a safe space on howard stern's radio show, to showcase his borishness openly. talking about leering at teenage pageant contestants when they were undressed and salivating over his own daughter ivanka's looks. but his time as a semiregular on stern's show ended with the launch of the apprentice. and now that he was running, now as a republican, his lecturist past was coming back to haunt him. in may of 2016, "the new york times" revealed that dozens of women said he acted inappropriately, everything from unwelcome romantic advances to unending commentary on the female form and unsettling workplace conduct, according to

interviews. in september, during the first debate, hillary clinton called him out on his past comments in front of 80 million viewers. >> this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he called this woman, miss piggy. then he called her, miss housekeeping because she was latina. >> trump took the bait, of course and dug his hole deeper. attacking former beauty queen alisa machado and went on fox to complain about her massive weight gain and ranted on twitter calling her disgusting and making claims about a non-existent sex tape. bhi the end of the first week in october, it seemed like he might be done for. the biden administration formally blamed russia for hacking the democratic national committee. but before trump and his campaign could face any scrutiny

about that, a short time later on that same day, "the washington post" dropped a bomb shell. the aforementioned tape of trump having an extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005 during the height of his apprentice era fame. and the rest, as they say, is history. and the gross, creepy, behind the scenes has spilled out into the open as trump runs for president for a third time. during his hush money election interference trial. last week, hope hicks testified that there was consensus among us all that the "access hollywood" tape was damaging and this was a crisis. it dominated the coverage for, you know, i would say the 36 hours leading up to an upcoming trump/clinton debate. trump tried to fight back who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct to the debate two days later, during which trump claimed he never kissed or grabbed a woman's private parts without permission. three days later, "the new york

times" published counts of two women who said he had done just that. two weeks after that, four days before the election, "the wall street journal" published an article about the national inquirer, paying alleged trump mistress karen mcdougal for her story and mentioned another fling, stormy daniels. joining me now is omar rosa, a former trump white house aide and former contestant in season 1 of trump's apprentice reality tv show. she is also the best-selling author of "unhinged" insiders account of the trump white house. omrosa, your just the person i wanted to talk to today. thank you for making yourself available. >> thank you for having me, joy. >> of course. i read your book, obviously. and so i know that you uniquely understand what a crisis the campaign was in after the "access hollywood" tape. would you agree with hope hicks that it was an immediate and all

consuming crisis? >> oh, it was not only was it a crisis, but it was utter chaos the middle of the campaign. and in fact, there were several of us that were actually on the road on a woman for trump bus tour, believe it or not. it was terrible. >> and the reality is, i said this in other interviews, he's running what would be the first woman president. also has to position himself to win women voters, but his whole history, the leering at his daughter, the gross things he said about women and miss usa pageants, et cetera, how did -- was there a sense that they had to shut these women down and does it ring true to you what he's being charged with that he was willing to pay and reimburse michael cohen for him to pay to keep stormy daniels from being added to the list? >> well, joy, i want to take you back a little bit to 2006. something that i think stormy daniels referenced. when he was promising her that she could be on the apprentice,

she was talking about celebrity apprentice. i actually appeared on that season, the first season of the celebrity apprentice. and there was actually another play mate that actually ended up on the cast of celebrity apprentice. i don't know if you recall that, but tiffany fallen was selected for the cast instead of, i believe, stephanie -- stormy daniels or these other women that were lobbying to be in that spot. donald was successful in getting one of his para mours on our season. in terms of wornt he does that, i've seen him pay off people. i've seen him try to pay off folks to try to silence them. i don't know if you recall, they tried to do the same thing to me. >> i do. >> $20,000 a month or something like that, for me to work on the campaign for several years so that i wouldn't share what i actually shared in my book. so this is kind of their pattern. this is par for the course in donald trump's world. >> and let's talk about other things that are par for the course. and you know, not to put too

fine a point on it. i want to show you the polls here. first let me do the last month of the 2016 election and go to something else. october 7 "access hollywood" tape is made public. the 9th is the presidential debate in st. louis. the 28th is when james comey drops this bomb about hillary clinton's emails sends it the other direction. then you have reports of the affair november 4th. then two days later -- mcdougal, two days later comey clears hillary clinton and it's election day. if you look at the polls, omarosa, hillary clinton was winning the election, on october 14th they're almost tied by november 4th. this back and forth over which one was the more scandalized. that was the end of the election. >> it was the end of the election and donald trump made sure that stormy daniel's story would never be made public because it would just be one more thing that helped turn those women voters that he needed and those undecides that he needed prior to the election. >> i want to talk about this

because you are unique that you were both on the apprentice and celebrity apprentice, you were the star of the apprentice and on the celebrity apprentice and then -- he might not say that. he would say he is. but i would say you probably were. but then you were also on the campaign and in the white house. so you sort of spanned the gamut of knowing donald trump. he said something during -- something was read to him by someone who was reading from one of his own books. this is what he wrote. this is what he wrote in one of his books. he said, all the women on the apprentice flirted with me. consciously or unconsciously. that's to be expected. a sexual dynamic is always present between people unless you are asexual. it seemed to me that he was essentially bragging about being gross and creepy even with you all. is that something that you remember? >> no. let me just clear the record. we did not flirt with donald, but donald was very aggressive in flirting with the women that were on the cast.

that's his pattern of behavior. but he also has these narcissistic to think that everybody wants him. it's just not true. >> and with stormy daniels, i don't know if you were -- if you had a chance to read the transcripts or hear the transcripts, her story about the sexual encounter actually made me really sad for her and creeped me out because there was this sense she said she was not forced but she didn't necessarily think there was some other option, you know what i mean. like there was something about it that felt predatory to me and i don't know how you felt hearing that story. >> that's just one story that i could have gone my entire life without hearing. but i think the reason that it's so important is because donald trump has denied that he had any type of relationship with her. and she detailed down to what the color of the floor tile looked like to his cheap shampoo. i mean, if they had just stipulated, yes, he had a relationship, consensual relationship, donald trump would have never gone through this humiliation. >> yeah.

and do you believe michael cohen's story? i know you have thoughts about him coming to testify. to me his story rings very true that if he advanced that money to pay off stormy daniels, he expected to get it back and he did it for the campaign, not out of the goodness of his heart. does that ring true to you? >> that absolutely is true. first of all, nothing happens in the trump organization without donald trump knowing or directing. particularly when it comes to the exchange of money. michael had nothing to gain by paying off stormy daniels. only person who was in a position to gain anything from that transaction was donald trump. >> and that is the essence of the election interference case. and i knew you would have definitive, decisive answers. omarosa, star of the apprentice and the celebrity apprentice. thank you very much. i appreciate you, sis, for being here. thank you. >> thank you, joy. >> thank you. up next on "the reidout," judge cannon indefinitely postpones trump's classified

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tomorrow, stormy daniels will be back on the witness stand in donald trump's hush money election interference trial. it follows what may have been the most dramatic day of the trial so far. when daniels' testified yesterday in detail about the

alleged sexual encounter she had with trump back in 2006. it is the first of four criminal trials that were scheduled to take place this year. but given all of trump's legal maneuvering, it is now likely to be the only one to come to a verdict before november's election. that is because judge aileen cannon, a trump appointee who has been overseeing his classified documents trial, just indefinitely postponed that trial, citing multiple pretrial issues yet to be dealt with. mainly by her. and in the georgia election interference case the state's court of appeals announced today that it is -- that it will hear trump's challenge to the decision not to disqualify fulton county d.a. fani willis from overseeing the case. that appeal could take months. and of course, we're still awaiting a decision from the u.s. supreme court on trump's claim to absolute presidential immunity in his federal election interference trial. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, msnbc legal analyst and professor at

the university of alabama school of law. and eugene robinson, columnist at "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. you're at a disadvantage, my friend, joyce. i'll go to you first. how can it be that aileen cannon as the person who is causing the delays by not ruling on things can say there are too many delays to do this trial? >> so this is one of the frustrations of being a federal prosecutor, even if being a lawyer, occasionally you have judges like this who whether they're hostile to a case or just have an overcrowded docket, they slow your case down to a point that seems unreasonable to you. the problem is that when that happens in an ordinary case, there's not the ticking deadline of an election. and a defendant like donald trump who might have the prok livety to suspend all prosecution and any prospect of accountability if he wins the election. so in this case, it makes it

particularly difficult to watch this happen. >> if you're jack smith, do you try to somehow appeal it to the 11th circuit and get her booted? >> you know, the best hook that jack smith has for an appeal would be if judge cannon were to make rulings that he didn't like when it comes to whether donald trump can use classified information at trial. he's got a right to appeal those. of course, we're in that pre-trial phase where the government needs a special hook to take an interlocutory appeal. most sorts of issues have to wait until afterwards. so, i think what jack smith has been waiting for has been these rulings on the classified information. >> she's never going to rule. >> and that is one of the issues -- right. she suspended that this week. those responses were due this week. out of the blue, she gave trump a continuance. and so, for jack smith, i suspect he's now regretting the fact that he did not try to recuse her early on when he could have. >> yeah. >> as the great lawrence

o'donnell says, eugene, the bribe is implied. she wants to be on the supreme court. she thinks she can get on if donald trump wins. she'll kill this case. catch and kill as one might say. >> i known, but aileen cannon on the supreme court. no ch i know. >> it's trump. she's done him favors. >> look, i shouldn't put anything beyond the -- >> she as much experience as amy coney barrett. >> but amy coney barrett is a lot smarter than aileen cannon. but look, this is an illustration of when a case goes before a federal judge, federal judges have enormous power. the federal judge is in charge of that case. and so, this story that this case will not come to trial before the election, this story was written the day the case was assigned to judge aileen cannon. it was. >> well, the bottom line is -- we were talking about this during the break. i'll bring it on to the air. the thing is when alvin brag first filed his case, a lot of

mockery of the case. oh, that case makes no sense. why bring it. it turns out it is the case, it is the only case upon which people can now judge whether or not donald trump is a criminal. >> exactly. the one case in which donald trump is being held accountable before the election. period. full stop. the others are not going to make it to trial. and certainly not going to make it to verdict. it's not going to happen. and alvin bragg, he -- people were dogging him. and then, oh, this is a weak case. or this shouldn't go first or whatever. well, this is going only, right. this is the only one. he offered to step back. he said, if a federal case, if one of those federal cases is ready to go or georgia is ready to go -- >> go first. >> i'll wait. i'll take it off my calendar and push it back. after you. but it turns out he is the only one who is prepared to go. and in fact, is going because donald trump is sitting in the

courtroom everyday. >> and there's a sense, joyce, in which the people of the united states -- these cases are the people versus donald trump. you know, new york versus donald trump. there is a lack of justice implied in this. the american people have a right to know whether the person they're electing is a felon, stole classified documents or committed crimes in trying to wage a coup. we are being denied that and i have to say, the one way in which i think new york has failed us, is that we're being denied the opportunity to watch that trial. we only can read transcripts of it afterwards to the limits that we can because they release the transcripts at like 10:00 p.m. at night. and so we're being literally forced to make decisions politically without the judicial branch doing its job. this seems to be an outrage. what do you think? >> you know, when we talk about speedy trial right acts and this has come up in a couple of the cases, jack smith has said speedy trial act rights don't belong just to the defendant.

they also belong by statute and our tradition of law to the people. the people have the right to have a speedy trial. and if that right means anything, it means in a case involving a former president accused of interfering with an election who is running for office again, the judges should have bent over backwards to try to bring these cases to trial. look, it's not entirely on the judges. there are complicated legal issues. judge chutkan did everything she could to move her case forward. now it's in the hands of the supreme court. but judge cannon i think very much to the contrary has done everything she could do to keep that case, which is incredibly important. it involves not only mishandling classified documents, but this long history of obstruction of justice. >> yeah. >> she bent over backwards to prevent that case from going to trial. >> one might surmise, eugene, the judicial branch is conspireing to make donald trump president again. >> one might surmise that.

and one might be right. you know? we can ask them. >> there are six members of the supreme court who are, for sure, clearly. >> look, did you think the supreme court -- >> definitely, yes. >> was going -- we know who clarence is. >> tough on donald. they're going to -- and the supreme court can say, look, we're going through kind of our regular order, you know. we've actually speeded it up a bit in terms of the way we usually consider cases. we didn't have to consider this until the next term. >> the question that i think that leaves for us is the dangers to our democracy now include our own judiciary. and it includes parts of the courts. it includes samuel alito and clarence thomas and ie line cannon and people like jack smith are valiantly trying to do the same thing but they follow the rules. the other side does not. >> yeah. well, look, our system does have checks and balances, right? but the ultimate check and balance is the voter.

that's us. and so, it is on us. it has always been on us. the judiciary was not going to bail us out. >> fair. >> in november. we're going to have to bail ourselves out. >> indeed. joyce vance, eugene robinson, thank you both very much. coming up, despite on going cease-fire talks, israel pressed ahead with its military assault on rafah. we'll be right back. ah we'll be right back.

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♪♪ today president joe biden said for the first time that he would halt shipments of u.s. weapons to israel if prime minister benjamin netanyahu orders a major invasion of the city of rafah. >> civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers. and i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they haven't gone into rafah yet, if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah to deal with the cities to deal with that problem. >> the comments come as the hamas/israel cease-fire talks in cairo remain at a critical stage. the palestinians continue to flee following the ground incursion that saw idf tanks seize control of the border crossing with egypt. joining me now is editorial board member for the "washington

post." great to see you in person. >> hi, joy. thank you for having me. >> what do you make of the president's comments? >> so i think it's still largely symbolic. it's good to see the president having some stronger language. they have paused this shipment of arms. but in the end, that's only going to take you so far. and i think the problem here is that biden is willing to go a little bit, but not enough to actually change the calculus of benjamin netanyahu. up until now, netanyahu thinks he can get away with quite a lot. >> sure. >> because he's getting slaps on the wrist. and he knows that biden is still steadfastly supporting the overall operation. his empathy is largely with the israeli side. he's struggled to show empathy towards palestinians. biden just doesn't seem to feel it in that way when it comes to palestinian civilians being killed. and that's noticeable. biden has a long history of being a stall wart supporter of israel. that's fine. but that doesn't mean that

israel should carte blanche do what it wants. up until now, israel has been able to do most of what it wants with very little limitations. so i'm glad to see this one measure, but it's ad hoc. it's not part of a broader strategy. and the question remains, if netanyahu ignores the advice and crosses the so-called red line -- >> they're already in rafah. they're already bombing it. >> now the biden folks are saying major ground offensive. >> like a ground operation. >> what does major mean? we'll see a lot of legalese about what's major and what's not. and netanyahu knows that. >> yeah. that's what he can play in. and i think part of the shift for president biden is partly i think because -- you recently interviewed some members of the democratic party who kind of have broken away, at least somewhat rhetorically and said they're going to vote against, you know, sort of blanket aid without conditions and there is a change in the party. i want to read you some of these polls. you have younger people, 18 to 29, three times more likely to sympathize with palestinians and

the conflict than those over 65. u.s. adults only 31% sympathize more with israelis. sympathize equally 26%. 18 to 29 it's very different, right? you're seeing younger people start to sympathize more and surveys taken in recent months show young voters are more likely to be more sympathetic and pushes on these campuses, getting arrests, forming encampments. >> there's a generational shift. i wish that biden would be more aware of that. i think there's a strong -- even if you don't care much about palestinians, there's a strong pro biden realist case for a cease-fire now. it's that get the war out of the headlines actually have something resembling calm where there aren't on going hostilities and hope you can build on that. the danger, if israel goes into rafah, in a major offensive, this could continue for weeks and months. then we get closer to election day and the images and people

protesting on campuses -- >> right. >> we're going to see more of that kind of discontent bubbling up. >> yeah. >> does biden want that? so i think he has a strong self interest here. so i think there's different ways to make the case. i think it's been troubling to see that up until now some of those self interest cases haven't actually gotten through. >> i mean, there is talk of a fear of sort of 68 summer. going back to chicago. that's where the democratic national convention is. and there is this fear of having sort of that same kind of vietnam vibe and the lbj vibe hit biden. you're right, the self interest, young voters, they're not saying it's their number one issue. if you do the polls, the harvard university polls it's not the number one issue but feeding into a narrative where they have other issues like the cost of living, itself, let's say it ain't helping and not helping with arab-american voters. >> definitely matters quite a lot for arab and muslim americans. i'm one of them. and it's weighing heavily on my own thinking about biden. and having conversations, which i do regularly, with other arab

and muslim americans, there is really a sense of being profoundly let down by biden. and you know a lot -- there are a lot of folks who aren't going to be able to pull the lever for biden when they get into the booth. now, you know -- >> particularly if you have family members who died. >> exactly. >> people who have dozens and dozens of family members dead. you can't bully them into voting for biden. they're not going to do it. >> we all have our personal threshold. and it's an act of conscience. it's understandable that people would be struggling with this choice. that's why i hope that some changes can be made in biden's policy to try to bring in some of those disaffected arab and muslim voters. not just that, i think arab and muslim voters in some of these key battleground states represent something larger. the kind of progressive activist base of the democratic party, young people as we've said. >> yes, that's right. >> it's not their number one issue but it matters to them.

>> african-american voters, young jewish voters. this is a broad coalition and young coalition and he needs it. shadi, so great to talk to you. thank you so much. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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you could look forward to a national abortion ban, something republican senators like lindsey graham have been pushing for years. and that could have a ripple effect on other aspects of women's health. like potentially endangering access to ivf or the abortion pill. and what would stop a republican-controlled senate from slashing or privatizing social safety nets like social security and medicare, something republicans suggested in the past. would they flinch at approving mass deportations or retribution against trump's political enemies? no. so there is a lot at stake. including in maryland, where the fate of a usually safely democratic seat is now up in the air after mitch mcconnell successfully recruited the twice elected republican former governor, larry hogan, to run for senator carden's seat. and don't be fooled. even though he's running as a trump critic, hogan is still very much a republican and if he's elected senator, he will vote like one. hogan has declined to say

whether he would vote to protect ivf or codify roe v. wade into federal law if elected. as a governor, he used his executive power to veto bills that would expand abortion access, strengthen background checks on guns and require paid family leave in maryland. one of the democrats running to stop him is angela alsobrooks. she joins me on the other side of this break. on the other side of this break. supports your spine. memory foam doesn't come close. get your best sleep guaranteed. save up to $800 during our memorial day sale. visit purple.com or a store near you ♪♪ missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur.

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make no mistake, larry hogan is a republican like every other one of the republicans running to take control of the senate and he has already promised a fall in line. many of them carpetbagging, multimillionaires who can fund their entire campaigns like in wisconsin, a real estate mogul who loaned his campaign $8 million. he is running in wisconsin, but has a company in utah. spent two decades in washington, d.c. and voted in california, where he owns a luxury home in laguna beach. republicans picked one of the heads of a hedge fund who loaned his senate campaign $14 million. mccormick still is in connecticut, one of the densest concentrations of wealth in america and montana republicans cleared the field for the ceo of

bridger aerospace who grew up a rich kid in the fancy suburbs of minnesota, a stone's throw from trader joe's. in maryland one of the top two democrats competing for the nomination is congressman david trone. the multimillionaire has bankrolled all of his campaigns, including one against jamie raskin and has loaned his campaign at least $57 million. there are a number of democratic candidates, but his top rival is angela alsobrooks, prince george's county executive. alsobrooks may not have his fortune, but she does have the endorsement of powerful politicians. >> we know maryland -- >> and we know angela alsobrooks is the right choice for senate. >> from investing in education. >> to defending our democracy and the right to vote. >> the state primary is next

weekend early voting ends on thursday. angela alsobrooks joins me now. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> your job as county executive is you run one of the largest counties in the state. >> i do, the second largest county in maryland. nearly 1 million residents. it is a dynamic county and i have been the executive now -- >> and yet david trone had to scrub his primary add-in which he said the u.s. senate is not a place for training wheels. what do you make of that comment? >> obviously it was a comment he had to take back. i don't know that you can describe any person that has the experience i have. i think it is an insulting comment. i think he recognized that and i think it demonstrates the need to have people in office

who bring people together. the governor often says we need leaders who lead by addition and not division. that was a divisive and awful comment. >> he made a couple of comments. there was the infamous comment he said he accidentally said. it is a difficult thing to accidentally say. we tried to get you on after that. you did not come out flaming after he said it. do you think those kind of comments would be prohibitive for him if he was the nominee? >> i think it makes him a risky candidate. i think the comment speaks for itself and i have spent my time continuing to talk about my record. i have a positive vision for maryland, so i have spent my time talking about marylanders and what i intend to do for them and their families. >> he has $57 million and i will tell you, i have seen his ads everywhere. they are everywhere. i have not seen your aunts, so where have you been?

you are running an almost invisible campaign, what would you say to that? >> we have been in living rooms and backyards. we have grown a grassroots coalition across maryland from one side of the state to the next. now we know $61 million that my opponent has spent in this race. we are not only in a dead heat with him, but we are on pace to win the primary on tuesday and that is because we built the coalition, so we have been very busy. >> let's talk about the former governor. he was reelected in 2018, so he came before trump. he won a significant number of black voters including in your county, prince george's county. people perceive him as somehow something of a moderate, but he is someone who battled with marilyn mosby, threatened to defund her office because she was not locking up enough people. he has been strange on abortion. he has not been clear he would vote for a national abortion ban

-- >> he has a record that speaks for itself. we know that larry hogan is not pro-choice. he vetoed legislation that would have expanded abortion care access. he has not been supportive of paid family medical leave. he has voted against education funding, so it speaks for itself. he has a record he would have to defend that i think is indefensible. one that does not coincide with the values of the average maryland or, who are democrats. in this race i think larry hogan has a very difficult time not only on his record, but i think everyone understands that he is part of a republican party that is led by donald trump. he was encouraged to come into the race by mitch mcconnell, who bragged that this was the get of the year. a week after that he endorsed donald trump, so we know larry hogan would be voting with the republican caucus and has a record that demonstrates that

he would not support gun legislation. he would vote against supreme court nominees. so we have great concerns and i don't think marylanders will fall for it at all. >> would you vote to codify roe v. wade? >> absolutely. the first piece of legislation i would cosponsor would be women's health protection to codify an federal law a woman's right to choose. >> what you think would be the top three things you would want to see past if you got in the senate? >> the women's health protection act. also economic opportunity, that is going to be really important. sensible gun legislation is important. the epidemic of violence we have seen is going to be important. >> do you believe president biden should pardon marilyn mosby? >> it is something the president is considering. >> do you think that he should pardon her? >> you know what, i have not

been involved, to be honest with you, in that case. the president will decide and others will decide. i can tell you that i wish her the very best. i have prayed for her and want the best for her and i know the president will do the right thing. >> the last question would be the other sort of trone cases he is self-funded. will you have enough money to be able to compete in a general election? >> absolutely i will. i have been a prolific fundraiser. i have raised more than any senate candidate in maryland history. i will not only raise money, but we have the support of the democratic party that will come in. in this race, recognize that we will not just need money. we've seen a person who spent $61 million to earn a dead tie with me and has not been ahead of larry hogan in a single pole. >> we are out of time. thank you for being here and we should say that we have reached out to david trone to invite him on the show and have no