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us and gaza, shortly after the unprecedented attack. president joe biden. caution is really leadership not to get carried away by rage like the west it and the aftermath of 911 and as israel's assault on gaza group. so that pressure on the us government terrain, it's ally and now washington seems to have put its foot down after insisting it would not support an offensive in rafa. israel's biggest weapon supplier is holding back the bombs but finding around the guys and border town is raging on. regardless, leaving the hundreds of thousands sheltering. there was nowhere to turn on the call fairly in berlin. and this is the day the israel should launch a major fatah getting around for without accounting for and protecting the
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civilians that are in that battle space. the last time they told us to go to ralph is saying it's safe and there's a, you know, they enter drama, the last 4 battalions from us so that we will destroy that we are currently reviewing some near term security assistance. shipments in the context of unfolding events. i'm going into the unknown. i don't know what lies ahead. will i find a place to stay? i don't know. also on the day d, w, news fields, harassment and physical violence targeting a green politician and eastern germany, raising the question is finding political violence a job for the police alone? this is leigh nation's security force. would be overwhelmed by the top piece. now have the checks to society. welcome to the program. it's good to have you with us. the message seems to be. if
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you're going to launch an offensive on raphael, we don't want to be a part of it. us defense secretary lloyd austin confirmed today that the white house has paused a large shipment of bombs to israel. other's schedule deliveries are under review. austin attributed the decision to washington's opposition to israel's plans to solve the southern gauze and town on the border with egypt. austin told a us senate, hearing the by not ministration, was concerned about a major offensive and rough off without a plan to protect the many civilians. there. we want. israel continues to bombard the city, the army, seize control of the border crossing and says it's conducting a limited operation to kill him off fighters and dismantle the groups. remaining infrastructure is more of what the us defense secretary, have to say. israel should launch a major attack in or off or without accounting for and protecting the civilians that are in the rental space. as we have a assess the situation, we pause once,
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shipment of high height payload, the munitions and and again, i think we've also been very clear about the, the steps that we'd like to see. but israel take to, to account for and take care of those civilians before a major combat to takes place. we certainly would like to see a know major combat take place in rafa, but not made a final determination on how to proceed with the uh, with that shipment to jack up. schindler is the senior director of the calendar extremism project. and this is what he told me about the likelihood of success oven is really ground assault on rafa. thank you so much for having me. unfortunately, the sad truth is that with out some kind of mutual pricing and dropbox, it will be impossible for uh, the dismantling or at least the more or less long term removal of how much as an
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ongoing price. i'm sorry, in rough uh at the moment the leadership in gaza strip off i'm ask is located. that's still some the pause that is still a very active tunnel network that i think the tax i will go prospect against this very forces including border crossing. so yes, unfortunately, some type of military authoration needs to be contacted and not find the spot between the us. and these really government is not on the if it's on the how this mutual operation supposed to be, conduct a pool this year was the one with a pool on record, globally. that's the 11 month for which the temperature has been the one. that's the one most on record for the same month old, previous year for which we have data, which it just heard at global temperatures rising higher and higher above the long term average. april was the 11th consecutive month to become the hottest ever
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recorded. that's according to the use climate monitoring service to experts. it's just another sign of the progressing climate breakdown. this, of course, has many people asking how much hotter will look at? well, the new survey by the british newspaper, the guardian, has revealed a lot of pessimism among climate researchers. 380 of them all from the inner governmental panel on climate change. we're asked how far they anticipate global average temperatures to rise above pre industrial levels. by the year 2103 quarters of time expect arise of $2.00 degrees or more. that's a full degree above the internationally set target. a $1.00 degree celsius, in fact, only 6 percent of those polled believe that that goal can still be met. and i'd like to welcome now one of the scientists who participated in the survey and
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these are the shipper is a professor for development, geography. at the university of bon good to have you on the show. oh, can i ask you what your predicts? it was for the year, 2100. as i said to 3 degrees. and i said that because if you look at the, the policies the pledges and then the auction that governments are taking now we can see that we're not moving very, very quickly. and basically, there predictions that suggest that we're going to hit maybe even $3.00 uh, looking at the kind of policies that we have and that is including policies. so i'm, i'm pessimistic, you know, at what do you make of the survey results overall because not everybody was as pessimistic as your but a lot of people are even more pessimistic. what's your take? yeah, i mean, i guess it's
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a bit depressing by we're also depressed. i mean to be honest because i of course i put in my my responses and then i got to see the results. and i was probably shocked. i mean, i didn't expect that everybody was feeling as pessimistic as i was. so i think you know, it, it's really difficult to work with this subject for right in it all day long and many of us for, for very long time now. and so of course, we see what's there and you know, what the public sees is what gets communicated later. but of course we see everything, even the messy stuff that doesn't have a clear messages. so yeah, i mean we're very close to it. so therefore, i think we, we are not optimistic. yeah. what's really interesting is that the survey also notes a generational divide among the responses with the younger experts expecting higher temperature rises. why do you think that is? yeah, i was thinking about that as well. and i actually think that has to do may be partly because they have a longer time to live left and therefore, you know,
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they're thinking about, you know, the future for them as well. and that could potentially make them even more pessimistic. but not quite sure. what it is, or either maybe it's also that they feel like, you know, the way that we've been doing the science in the past. and i haven't been sufficient. and they just few than less optimistic about kind of the way that we kind of knowledge that we have perhaps. yeah, but we're not basing this on, on feelings our way this is about scientific research that you and your peers are conducting, isn't it? or was this more about the gotten ceiling ball park that you expect or no, but of course it's very difficult to separate the 2 in this case because the questions were about, you know, what do you expect or we don't we, you know, we can look at but the model suggests, and we can look up sort of, you know, what we see is happening, for example, with eco systems and how, you know, crow reese for example,
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are dying off and so on. and so of course that makes us depressed, but it's also, i think this, this is a sense that, you know, the science is there and it's really clear. and we're not seeing the action being taken out and not part of what, what the survey was about isn't what is the kind of the sense that you feel when you, when you deliver the science and the policy makers don't run with it and should make the kind of changes that you would expect them to make. so it is a little bit of a combination of both, you know, what we see the scientific evidence combined with this, this experience of, you know, living as a scientist and kind of hearing our message as whole flat. yeah, you were quoted in the article as saying that your only source of hope is seeing the next generation being so smart and understanding of, you know, all the bits and pieces that play into that, including policy making. do you think they will get into positions of power soon enough to reverse this trend as well?
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i mean, i think it's a little bit of a combination of, you know, the kind of action on the ground also, you know, protests and so on and getting in and actually communicating with policy makers early. i think that a lot of young people do have more kind of energy and power to go in and maybe to kind of, you know, these kinds of statements to influence policy makers in a different way. but uh, yeah, i mean, i think that's a good point. you know, when are they going to be in a decision making position? but still, just the fact that i see, you know, how, of course, are people, students are depressed, but i think that, you know, they have great ideas. they're innovative and i think that they, they see through a lot of the green washing, uh, blah, blah, that the politicians thinks that we're buying. but the students get this and i'm optimistic in that way. if that's good and not all pessimism. let's look at your research because you look at how climate change affects people, especially the vulnerable. what effect on humans do you anticipate is global heating really does range or in fact exceed your production of 3 degrees?
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yeah, i mean that's one other thing too much about that because actually, you know, we're already seeing things popping off this year, right. we're having a huge phase across asia. the kinds of things that we're expecting of, you know, people are going to be facing this tremendous heat and just not knowing where to go, how, what you know, where to turn to be able to find shade to be able to find a cooling this, this really is going to have a lot of health impact, but also i think and both physical but also a psychological impact. and i'm also aware of studies that are suggesting that by the end of the century, if things do go in that direction, that we end up with 3 degrees that we're going to be looking at, the sort of pockets of places where people simply can't even live and that, that, that as a 3rd of people are going to be a 3rd of the people around the world lagrange see in those places. and so that, you know, that suggests i, we're also possibly looking at
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a lot of migration. and we need to think about what are the limits to how much we can actually adapt to that kind of a change. because we do have both kind of ego systems have limits, but we also have limits and social systems. we, you know, we need to have fresh water to drink, we can't survive without it. so if we lose insights that don't have that, then we need to move. no wonder your pessimistic has professor elisa schiffer of the university of fine. it was a great speaking to you, none the less. thank you so much for your time. thank you. or the, the bigger selection year in history. but many of those running for office around the globe have a lot more to fear of and just their political opponents. politically motivated violence is on the rise and germany is no exception. last friday, a politician hanging campaign posters was beaten up so badly. he had to be hospitalized, and now berlin's former mayor was attacked and injured at
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a library. social democrat, francisco, give fi was head over the head by the sale, and wielding a bag containing a solid object. 74 year old man has been arrested. of these recent incidents are fueling fears about the security of politicians and activists. here in germany, the latest in the eastern city of dresden was actually caught on camera by the w crow on the front of the new campaign and then tons, ugly green politicians set upon by to bystanders threatening our commer team. and the queen's number is that most spinster we've joined yvonne most. she was running for local office in the east and her party. the greens have become a point target of political violence and recent months. and this is kind of this. i think it's especially important in this district where you have
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a lot of non voters to maybe motivate them again to vote until at least show your face. and to say we're here. in fact, isn't the of the to move to another area. the nude became tense, a group nearby sounded a bond nazi slogan for the following a party. then this happened until 9 with us robin was supposed to be, you know, you're breaking the law. what are you doing this? move lot documented the evidence. another group started happening, her and her team pulling a pair of files they decided to retreat back out to see
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outgoing mail. you see that the arguments are not founded, it's something they've picked up somewhere else. uh, the support and s as all, i'm just honestly i haven't had this one before. actually it's a new one for me. but yeah, we'll keep on fighting, but it comes to lighter. busy but that i've got saw before that confronted the need. that picture right now are all the camera off in the old. can someone call the police like you to need that photo you bloody green on the a. is that much day? are you crazy? as a parent to imitate the group on demand that they delete the pictures, witnesses try to reach the police most move forward. i'll do my photo now as well. so 1st of all, it took a long time before we got through to them, john holmes. and then they didn't take them seriously, and then they said that they will take 5 to 10 minutes,
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even though they were told that threats were made against the group. and just so, you know, the police station is a 3 minute walk away from him as it up in the ships. i'm extremely personally disappointed and i think this is something we will have to talk about. at least offices eventually arrived. official say they're investigating the suspect for fault vandalism. i'm still using unconstitutional slogans. vera berg and grew and a is a senior correspondent of time magazine and his tract while, and threats harassment and attacks, targeting public officials in the us and elsewhere for quite some time. thank you so much for speaking to the w 0. the report we just ran of a politician been spat on and insulted. does that ring familiar to you? it does, at least here in the united states. i think most people aren't aware of how common it has become for people to jump that line from just being more politically byron in the rhetoric and how they speak and then actually taking action in the real world. here in the us,
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it's become quite common from the lowest levels of government all the way to the top. so it definitely sounds familiar. who are the perpetrators, they're not all outright extreme is are they you wrote a while ago that about one in 3 americans believe violence against the government can sometimes be justified. that is surprisingly and kind of sharply common viewpoint. now, i think it's become much more common since the pandemic when i think with the locked downs and a lot of kind of the things that were happening then people really felt it was okay to take matters into their own hands and not just protests, but really intimidate and harass people. and here in the united states with a 2020 election, it also became much more common to if you're angry about something, instead of doing what you maybe used to do now, it was ok to show up to me to show up with a gun and to actually make good on your, on your threats to, you know, again, abusing or physically assault someone here in the united states. it's definitely been on the rise and we're seeing that across the whole globe. you, of course,
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looked at this for many angles and in many places can you identify common denominators, spanning regions and states causes triggers. i think one of the things that every expert i've spoken to has said is that, and people take the queue from politicians and uh, you know, even look back 10 years ago. it wasn't as common for politicians, whether it's on social media or in their speech is to use particular words in particular imagery, which is actually quite a violent. you know, the need to take things back, you know, uh the need to blow things up. and um, this kind of language people are taking it somewhat literally, there's always, as you mentioned, there's always people more on the fringes were willing to take action. but we're seeing it just kind of in general. i mean, people calling law makers calling health workers election workers are librarians here in the united states. anyone who works for the government and being very intimidating and harassing them. and you know that that's a pretty common factor i think is,
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is violet language really translating to real world action? you have spoken to many people affected by this kind of violence. and one of the people you interviewed said something truly shocking. local leadership was becoming a full contact sport. how do they tend to deal with the harassment, the threats and the attacks? you know, it's a year at least the, it's pretty difficult to expect someone, especially no low vocal, lower level job to want to continue doing this. i mean, a lot of them have had to hire private security. they had to, you know, move their kids or their spouse out of their house because you know, their address is posted on line and they're getting threats. and if you are, you know, a local election worker, if you are a state level lawmaker, it might just not be worth it. i mean, on the upper level here, if you're on capitol hill or the white house, you have all these extra protection you a secret service. you have, you know, police who can help you. but for most local level people, what we're actually seeing is just people leading the jobs. i mean, if there's been
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a really big accidents and the last 4 years here of people just leaving these other positions, largely because of the threats of violence and harassment, we only have about a minute left, but i don't want to leave on that note where do we go from here, is this just a grim reality? you know, we have to live in oregon to serve as a call to action. i have heard of the kind of more positive side that i think more people at least are very much aware of this. and that it's become a cycle where, where there is this kind of intimidation of people are much more aware of where to go. and the are getting a better are distinguishing between a real threat and, you know, and, and what to take it to. so at least they and some of that fear isn't there. but you know, i think like as you mentioned earlier this year is going to be a real live mess test of, of, of how far that can go. very virgin grew and senior correspondent for time magazine . thank you so much for those insights. thank you. see if you've ever heard the story of a double rainbow and
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a new star appearing to harold the birth of former north korean leader kim jong il on the country's highest mountain. chances are that you are familiar with the work of kim king number. he was north korea's long time propaganda chief and is credited with masterminding the cold surrounding the king diamond state. now he has died at the age of 94 leader came junk who not paid his respects at the memorial or came keen alms. bonnie was on view state medias. say he died of old age and multiple oregon. this function become dynasty now and it's 3rd generation has ruled north korea's since it's the establishment in 1948 and we need tons. aiden foster. carter is a north korea expert at leads university in the u. k. great to have you on the show . now kim, keen on basically creating the lens through which the world saw the kim dynasty. and what more can you tell us about the cult that he helped build as well? um, in the age of the internet. uh,
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everybody kind of knows what north korea looks like. we can all see everything and we know that it looks as it will peculiar moodle. unlike how the places that they tongue about starting thousands, communism and there was no basically so generations record for them all the key in terms of how you present that. have to put it across the be all, both for the people within the country and how we see it that took some organizing . and the man who did it was kim king, who is the stein at the ripe old age of $94.00. he did it for the original leader can also, he didn't or the 1st succession. we know how difficult succession saw for comment is congress magic types of ships generate the succession to chemo, so sorry, yes. to give us all to do when it comes to here. we'll succession him, drop him off at the present either. he's a he and this is the light comes, you have a drinking bodies and he did the latest succession already over a decade ago to come down. and so he, the whole presentation of the regime as interstate. my presentation is all important to him. he was the guy who,
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what role does propaganda play domestically in north korea? this is a country completely rules by propaganda. what's like, oh, well then you know, trojan oil changed for, concerning, like actually shape. but really, if any, actually existing state comes close is this one, you know, far more than the former soviet union, the former german democratic republic, et cetera. everything is controlled. they all there, is there any one view of anything assumption, no free press, no independent n g o's or anything like that. so the question of shaping the narrative at every level, how the leader is presented. how, for instance, state one concrete example is a while back. how do you get rid of cumulus ohms, embarrassing, a 1st wife when, when there's somebody else on the scene, that kind of thing? i it's, it's probably it's full price advice because i have to be in charge of that is a very important role as witness kim jong and then his but tired, ever leading the funeral procession. sort of a at the,
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at the b a. the funeral is to pull her right now. very important guy. how important is propaganda for the kim dynasty's survival though? would they be able to hold onto power with all with, without this this entire p r machine or no, i think you've, that's exactly the question um cause it so for us folks in a way, this is a state which i was reading alone in touch with speech by the leader came to hand and somebody has to do it. they can't even make decent school uniforms and the yeah . how, how, how does that to make a school uniform and, and try these people. i'm the lead as of age of a rates. everybody for it, but it's, it's like golf. so how old is ago? they've got to say, oh, you know what? trying really hard, but it's, she's working at american imperialist and the fisher south koreans who are stopping us to doing it. and do you do wonder if the now or she was wearing a bit since we knew another home according to states which collapsed, the people were pretty cynical, actually, nobody believed it. for
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a long time. the most crews about what true believers linux already, but try looking like it because whoever tried the review time, you know, but you do wonder if there was a, the largest, as a china used to be multiple or them them china, or as much richard them south for the planet, i mean how, how stable there's that, that takes us further, i guess. but yeah, the propaganda is the only glue that holds it together. nothing else does estimating stuff that was a foster carter, a lease university. thank you so much for all those insights. thank you very much. the interesting questions. that's our time, but make sure to stay informed. stay engaged and stay in touch. you can follow our team on social media our handled. there is still be news if it is the latest headlines you're looking for, pours always our website to w dot com for now, and i'm from the entire team on the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day by the
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