were killed by bombs given to israel by the us. defence secretary lloyd austin said wednesday the us is reviewing weapons deliveries to israel after it paused a recent shipment over concerns it would invade rafah. biden administration officials have warned for months that the president is opposed to an israeli ground invasion rafah without efforts to protect more than 1.4 million palestinians sheltering there — most of whom are already displaced from other parts of gaza. and following developments from washington is our us state department correspondent tom bateman. what we know is that there was a pause as the administration has described it on one consignment of weapons from the americans to the israelis that was put in place last week. this is on a consignment that includes a batch of £2000 bombs, among the most

destructive munitions, air dropped musicians western military is hard and capable of wiping out multiple buildings at the same time. israel's argument having those as it needs to attack hamas below and above ground but they have been at the heart of complaints of criticism and controversy relate raised by human rights groups when they have looked at the catastrophic high numbers of civilians killed by the israelis in gaza because of the destructive force that these weapons. the americans specifically have said that it is the pastor use of those munitions in gaza by israel that means they are holding back on this consignment because what the americans are doing here is firing a warning shot across the bowels of the israeli premise to benjamin netanyahu as part of their stated position that they do not believe israel should carry out a full—scale ground offensive into the city of

rafah in gaza. the israeli premise to have said that that will happen regardless of whether or not there is a ceasefire agreement he says to eliminate the final battalions of hamas in gaza. but what you have here is an extremely rare and significant moment where the americans are holding back on some weapons to their key ally in the region to israel. you have to go back over a0 years to find the last time something like this has happened publicly in this way at least, the days of ronald reagan holding back some weapons to the israelis because he disagreed with parts of the way the invasion of lebanon was being carried out. it is a significant moment and we had today the americans say they would review other weapons shipments to try to get into exert pressure on the israelis. predictably perhaps republicans in washington have laid into this. the house speaker mike

johnson and the leader of the republicans elicited mitch mcconnell have written to president biden to say this is daylight between the us and its key ally, israel. they want answers by the end of the week about how this was communicated and how the review is being carried out, which part of government is doing it and fundamentally if there will be in and pointed this pause on the weapons shipments. all of that being said, there is also practical point here which is at the american assessment israel has everything it would want anyway to carry out an invasion of rafah so probably wouldn't make practical difference and that sense but this is much more about the pressure that it puts on prime minister netanyahu from the biden administration to try to get to that point where the americans are trying to stop a full—scale ground offensive on rafah. meanwhile, the us says no aid has yet passed through the newly reopened kerem shalom aid point and israeli forces remain in control of the rafah crossing. it comes as the israel defence

force continues to bomb areas in and around rafah. the idf has ordered 100,000 palestinians to leave eastern parts of the city. on wednesday an israeli air strike hit a home in western rafah, killing four people and injuring children, according to gaza's health ministry. i spoke a short while ago with drjohn kahler, co—founder of medglobal about the humanitarian struggle in rafah. he has extensive experience working in conflict zones, so i asked him if he's ever encountered a situation like what's happening in gaza. not even close. i thought i was prepared having been in haiti many times, and earthquakes, yemen, and aleppo during the siege, but i was knowingly prepared. this is the worst crisis i've seen but it probably is the worst humanitarian crisis easily since world war ii.

live now to tal heinrich, a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister's office. thanks for being with us. just to pick up on what dr kayler of medglobal said there about having never seen a humanitarian crisis as bad as is in gaza now. aid agencies have told us that no aid has gone into gaza for the last two days, that kerem shalom was re—opened but no aid crossed in. when will israel permit aid to flow again? let's set the record straight here. since the beginning of the war, smokers alleged against us on 7 october more than halfi million tons of humanitarian aid have crossed into gaza. israel facilitated the insertion of this aid, more than a00,000 tons of food, hundreds of her trucks as you know and you've reported, have come in daily. in recent days

hamas fired multiple times if i'm not wrong at least three or four times at the kerem shalom border crossing, firing from humanitarian aid areas and the eastern part of rafah to that border crossing which is the main artery from which the trucks are coming in. hamas is trying to create a humanitarian crisis in gaza, not only stealing the aid to feed their own war machine, not only stealing the aid to sell the food, tenfold the price of the market, they are also firing at the aid routs including 80 roots where aid is transported from south to the northern parts of gaza.— from south to the northern parts of gaza. sorry, to bring it back to _ parts of gaza. sorry, to bring it back to the _ parts of gaza. sorry, to bring it back to the question - parts of gaza. sorry, to bring it back to the question i - it back to the question i asked, which is when will israel allow that age to come in again? there is a humanitarian crisis there. we've had many descriptions of that so i'm asking when that will happen again. we reopened

and reapened — will happen again. we reopened and reopened kerem _ will happen again. we reopened and reopened kerem shalom i will happen again. we reopened i and reopened kerem shalom again and reopened kerem shalom again and again. hamas has attacked the crossing again and we will keep trying to reopen it again and very soon you'll see trucks coming in but you have to remember here that kerem shalom is not the only route for the insertion of humanitarian aid. indeed but there is nothing coming through crosstalk. that has been the main cross and the idf has occupied it. when will that be? soon enough which we will announce but rafah will be operational, i guarantee it.— rafah will be operational, i guarantee it. you can't put a timeframe — guarantee it. you can't put a timeframe on _ guarantee it. you can't put a timeframe on that. - guarantee it. you can't put a timeframe on that. to - guarantee it. you can't put a timeframe on that. to bring| guarantee it. you can't put a. timeframe on that. to bring it to the talks in cairo that ongoing. in the coming days. to bring it the talks in cairo that are ongoing to agree on some sort of pause in the fighting get the hostages out and get aid into rafah and all

of gaza as it is needed as we've been discussing, have you any update for us on how those talks are progressing? bringing our hostages — talks are progressing? bringing our hostages are _ talks are progressing? bringing our hostages are back - talks are progressing? bringing our hostages are back home . talks are progressing? bringing our hostages are back home is| our hostages are back home is the top priority, we want all of our people back, all 132. as you know when time has run out for 38 over hostages as far as we know. we've been exerting military pressure on hamas and butorac pressure because as we've seen in november this is the only way to achieving the framework that will see the release of hostages and we've working and i know bbc has covered it tirelessly not only us but also the us administration and other international media to try to bring another agreement that will see the release of the remaining hostages. but hamas has rejected our office again and again. has rejected our office again and again-— and again. crosstalk. sorry to _ and again. crosstalk. sorry to trouble - and again. crosstalk. | sorry to trouble because i don't have a lot of time. i want to get to the point of this because the talks are ongoing and hamas has accepted the current proposal so i am

asking what the israelis... that is a cheap pr hamas trick but unfortunately many media outlets have fell for. crosstalk. has not accepted the offer. which secretary blinken referred to. what's the israeli decision? there is a delegation in cairo and hamas says crosstalk. israel has put a generous because on table, the words of secretary blinken. a very generous proposal hamas rejected and they tried to turn the on israel and in a cheap pr trick to say they accepted a ceasefire but these were not the details discussed. it's like saying i hereby accept the nomination to become the next un average general but nobody is offering that.— is offering that. crosstalk. we are moving _ is offering that. crosstalk. we are moving off— is offering that. crosstalk. we are moving off topic. - is offering that. crosstalk. we are moving off topic. to | we are moving off topic. to ursue we are moving off topic. trr pursue this diplomatic avenue. there is no update. to bring it back to what i'd like to get the prime minister's response

to the announcement from president biden to hold back on the shipment of bombs to israel, big 2000 lbs bombs because fears they'd be used in rafah. ~ . , rafah. what is the prime minister's _ rafah. what is the prime minister's response - rafah. what is the prime minister's response to i rafah. what is the prime i minister's response to that? i can't speak to the specific reports, i will hinder to your reporter before because tourism and what he did have a certain way to address such issues between close allies and crosstalk. president biden has said that himself. the prime minister said in recent days and spoke with the holocaust remembrance day in israel, israel will fight hamas even if we have to fight hamas even if we have to fight them without fingernails. we achieve all of our war objectives which include bringing hostages back home, dismantling hamas's military and government capabilities and ensuring gaza will not oppose the terror threat as again but it's important to understand as well that our war objectives must be defined as a nation on

7 october have been supported from day one today 215 by united states, it's no secret there are some differences crosstalk but we discuss them in different channels. you don't think withholding the bombs will make a difference to the israeli war effort? we bombs will make a difference to the israeli war effort?— the israeli war effort? we know that president _ the israeli war effort? we know that president biden _ the israeli war effort? we know that president biden is - that president biden is committed to the security of israel and so is the us congress and american people, we see it in polls and the recent poll that i saw before going on air was more than 70% of americans support israel in rafah. ~ . of americans support israel in rafah. . ., ., ., rafah. we are almost out of time but _ rafah. we are almost out of time but on _ rafah. we are almost out of time but on that _ rafah. we are almost out of time but on that point, i time but on that point, president biden said he withheld the bombs to try to deter prime minister netanyahu from a ground invasion into rafah and from what you're saying it is not a deterrent withholding of bombs the prime minister still plans to go into rafah with the ground invasion. i can tell you that at the moment and as you know the past 2a hours or so we've been focusing on the eastern part of rafah, and a precise toad

operation we've had intelligence that the rafah crossing was being used for terror purposes.— terror purposes. this is the start of a — terror purposes. this is the start of a longer _ terror purposes. this is the start of a longer mission i terror purposes. this is the i start of a longer mission into rafah it with ground troops? i can't describe operational strategies and things happening on the ground, these are matters for the idf. we don't divulge what is going to happen. divulge what is going to happen-— divulge what is going to ha r en, . ., ., divulge what is going to ha en. ~ ., ., ., happen. we will have to leave it there because _ happen. we will have to leave it there because we _ happen. we will have to leave it there because we are i happen. we will have to leave it there because we are out i happen. we will have to leave it there because we are out of time. tal heinrich, a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister's office. thank you forjoining us. thank thank you for “oining us. thank ou. china's president xijinping is in hungary on the final leg of his european tour. 0n arriving in budapest he was greeted by hungarian prime minister viktor 0rban. president xi is expected to announce further economic ties between the two countries. hungary provides an important gateway for beijing into eu vehicle markets. earlier, xi visited belgrade, where serbia's president, aleksandar vucic, told thousands of supporters that beijing was a sincere friend and that serbia backs china's claim to sovereignty over taiwan. from budapest, our central europe correspondent nick thorpe has the latest.

here in hungary the third and final leg of his three nation visit to europe, the chinese president will be hoping to drive home some of his main messages. notjust to hungary but to the people of europe. don't be afraid of doing business, of trade with china. it is to our mutual benefit. there will be no criticism we've had for example from the european commission president ursula von der leyen for the french president president macron, the hungary and feminist has been seeking chinese investment with open arms —— prime minister. he has read some of the benefits of that. two chinese car factories are planted hungary several chinese electric vehicles battery and battery component factories already built or planned. some of the finishing at 36 factories, many of them chinese, associated with this

green energy with battery production already planned or functioning here in hungary. so none of the criticism from elsewhere, a very warm welcome here and hungary's chance, viktor 0rban, the prime minister as �*s chance to show the world and the rest of europe the fruits of cultivating a close friendship with china. jennifer welch is a former us national security director for china and taiwan. she explained the signifigance of the chinese president's trip to europe. it is no mistake or accident that xijinping chose it is no mistake or accident that xi jinping chose them are stopped along his first trip to the continent since 2019. it is also no accident that there is that sort of friendly relationship because like the criticism goes both ways. they are not going to be hearing from xijinping concerns are not going to be hearing from xi jinping concerns about the human rights record or their approach to democracy. there is a shared alignment and greater favouritism towards a russian among these countries in comparison to some of the western european countries that

have been more concerned about china's relationship with moscow especially in the wake of its invasion of ukraine. when it comes to western europe and brussels his interest is trying to defuse those concerns about chinese overcapacity and its relationship with moscow and try to push europe towards and try to push europe towards a more independent foreign policy from the united states. in other partners like hungary and serbia where china already enjoys very friendly relationships and warm reception, it demonstrates china has that soft power capacity and has a win a longer trip. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at another story making news. another conservative member of parliament has switched sides to labour. in a defection no—one saw coming, natalie elphicke, who represents dover, crossed the aisle. she says the conservatives under rishi sunak "have become a byword for incompetence and division." in a statement she said the key factors for her decision are housing and border security. there seemed to be confusion about the decision on both sides of the aisle.

certainly backbenchers are confused. my stance on immigration and refugees and asylum seekers for example has always been completely different natalie and i'm not sure what that means know about labour's view of those things, is it me or is it has? i am has powerful as everyone watching this. ~ . . , this. with natalie being further to _ this. with natalie being further to the _ this. with natalie being further to the right i this. with natalie being further to the right of i this. with natalie being i further to the right of me, i'd be surprised if she finds a home _ be surprised if she finds a home with a labour party. mrs elphicke was elected to her seat in 2019. she is the second tory to change to labour in the past two weeks. last month, conservative mp dr dan poulter announced he was leaving the party. you're live with bbc news. a new poll out of the battleground us state of wisconsin gives a slight edge to us presidentjoe biden in the upcoming presidential election. the poll from quinnipiac university shows mr biden leads the presumptive republican nominee — former president donald trump — 50% to aa% in a head—to—head matchup in the state.

the poll shows mr trump leads on issues such as international conflict and the economy, while mr biden is ahead on abortion and preserving democracy. president biden spoke in wisconsin on wednesday, where he announced plans to build a $3.3 billion data centre that's expected to create thousands ofjobs. mr trump meanwhile is in new york for a criminal trial where he's accused of falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels. but he visited wisconsin just last week where he attacked his opponent over rising consumer prices. joining me live is republican former congressman rodney davis, as well as democrat former congresswoman stephanie murphy. thank you, both, being with us. i want to start with the economy, the reason forjoe biden�*s visit to wisconsin. and donald trump. he has taped an interview with cnn while there. let's have a listen to what he said about the economy.

no president has had the run we've had in terms of creating jobs and bring down inflation. it was 9% when i came to office. people have a right to be concerned. 0rdinary people, the idea that you are about to get a fitted fever the check, i change that, it can't charge more than eight bucks. for your credit card, your late payment, $35. credit card, your late payment, $35, there is crooked greed going on but it's gotta be dealt with. stephanie, it all sounds very positive there. why then, according to this week's abc news/ipsos poll, do a majority of people trust trump over biden to manage the economy? i think that biden likes to tout macroeconomic statistics about the economy and they have tried very hard, this administration, to convince the american people that the economy is not that bad. the youth unemployment numbers,

they use other tactics, but the reality is that the american people feel the pressure of inflation and it's really important for the president acknowledge people's pain and talk about what he is going to do address that. continue to gaslight the american people that they aren't feeling the economic harm, that we currently feel, isn't working and you see that showing up in polls. will voters, particulalry those in wisconsin, listen to that message or listen to their pocketbooks and how much they're paying in the grocery store, at the petrol pumps, on their mortgages? they are going to look at what is in _ they are going to look at what is in their— they are going to look at what is in their pocket books and how— is in their pocket books and how much they are paying at the grocery — how much they are paying at the grocery store. i agree with stephanie that this is an issue that the — stephanie that this is an issue that the biden administration and his— that the biden administration and his campaign have not been able to— and his campaign have not been able to address. as we sit on your— able to address. as we sit on your programme time and time again. — your programme time and time again, americans are going to the grocery store and gas pumps knowing — the grocery store and gas pumps knowing that they are paying more — knowing that they are paying more for _ knowing that they are paying more for those necessitiesjust to live —

more for those necessitiesjust to live than what they paid when _ to live than what they paid when donald trump was president. that's why donald trump's _ president. that's why donald trump's numbers on the economy are so— trump's numbers on the economy are so much— trump's numbers on the economy are so much better thanjoe bidens— are so much better thanjoe biden's if— are so much better thanjoe biden's if that keeps up along with— biden's if that keeps up along with some of the other actions that are — with some of the other actions that are happening in this country. _ that are happening in this country, and only helps donald trump — country, and only helps donald trump close the gap in states like wisconsin as the election gets— like wisconsin as the election gets closer. like wisconsin as the election gets closer-— like wisconsin as the election nets closer. ~ . , , gets closer. whatever the issue we've heard _ gets closer. whatever the issue we've heard from _ gets closer. whatever the issue we've heard from joe _ gets closer. whatever the issue we've heard from joe biden i gets closer. whatever the issue we've heard from joe biden and donald trump the notion of corporate greed and going after the drug companies, supermarkets, all making big profits. supermarkets, all making big rofits. . �* , supermarkets, all making big rofits. . v . supermarkets, all making big rofits. . �*, ., , , profits. that's a typical democrat _ profits. that's a typical democrat versus i profits. that's a typical i democrat versus republican argument, but corporate greed when _ argument, but corporate greed when somebody bounces a cheque and having — when somebody bounces a cheque and having to pay a fee or somebody who pays the credit card _ somebody who pays the credit card fees _ somebody who pays the credit card fees late, that's playing to his — card fees late, that's playing to his face. this is not corporate greed and that's not addressing middle—class american families concerns about— american families concerns about paying too much for groceries, they are not the ones — groceries, they are not the ones bouncing checks, they are not the — ones bouncing checks, they are not the ones that are not paying _ not the ones that are not paying their credit cards, the

other— paying their credit cards, the other one _ paying their credit cards, the other one is trying to ensure that— other one is trying to ensure that they— other one is trying to ensure that they feed their families and that they are able to actually go take a vacation with— actually go take a vacation with their families and right now— with their families and right now under the biden administration that's getting more — administration that's getting more and more difficult. let's look at a significant development then in terms of the us relationship with israel, and the administration's decision to pause a shipment of bombs to israel, here's what joe biden said about that to cnn. civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centres. i have made it clear that if they go into rafah, which they haven't yet, i am not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah and the city and its deal with that problem. we will keep making sure that israel is secure in terms of iron dome, responding to attacks like those that came

out of the middle east recently. out of the middle east recently-— out of the middle east recentl . ., , , recently. how significant is it that a us _ recently. how significant is it that a us president - recently. how significant is it that a us president would i recently. how significant is it i that a us president would take this action, suspending weapons shipments to a close ally and acknowledge that american bombs have killed civilians in gaza? it is a departure from long—standing us policy not to condition aid to israel but we are an unprecedented times and it is good that he reaffirmed the commitment to ensuring that they have missile defence and iron dome and the resources that israel needs to defend themselves. i imagine that perhaps this because he talks about is an effort to gain an average to encourage acceptance of some sort of ceasefire so that hostages can be returned as soon as possible —— michael average. i know the president has always talked about wanting to ensure that the hostages are returned and perhaps this is a gambit to try to get to an agreement that will enable that to happen. we agreement that will enable that to ha en. ~ ., agreement that will enable that tohauen.~ ., ,, to happen. we have spokesperson

for the prime _ to happen. we have spokesperson for the prime minister _ to happen. we have spokesperson for the prime minister earlier i for the prime minister earlier in the programme that this would not be a deterrent to the israeli war effort, so how significant do you think all of this is for the us and is really relationship but also the election? will this issue land with people? i the election? will this issue land with people?— the election? will this issue land with people? i think it is re land with people? i think it is pretty extensive _ land with people? i think it is pretty extensive for - land with people? i think it is pretty extensive for both i land with people? i think it is pretty extensive for both of l pretty extensive for both of those — pretty extensive for both of those issues. it will impact the election, but i do believe it could — the election, but i do believe it could have long—term consequences on the american and is — consequences on the american and is really relationship. president biden and this is the electorai— president biden and this is the electoral issue that i'm talking _ electoral issue that i'm talking about, president biden is trying — talking about, president biden is trying to have it both ways and — is trying to have it both ways and he — is trying to have it both ways and he knows that 70% american support— and he knows that 70% american support israel in getting the hostages back from the terrorists, from hamas that took— terrorists, from hamas that took them on 7 october. in the end, _ took them on 7 october. in the end. he — took them on 7 october. in the end. he is— took them on 7 october. in the end, he is trying to placate his base _ end, he is trying to placate his base. the voters who are pro — his base. the voters who are pro hamas— his base. the voters who are pro hamas in america did not sopport— pro hamas in america did not support president trump. joe biden— support president trump. joe biden is— support president trump. joe biden is trying to stop the

bleeding in areas that may not sopport— bleeding in areas that may not support israel like 70% of america _ support israel like 70% of america does. it will have an impact — america does. it will have an impact on _ america does. it will have an impact on the election. we will talk about _ impact on the election. we will talk about this _ impact on the election. we will talk about this plenty - impact on the election. we will talk about this plenty more i talk about this plenty more between now and november. we leave it there for the moment. republican former congressman rodney davis, as well as democrat former congresswoman stephanie murphy. thank you both forjoining us. thanks. rescuers say they've made contact with eleven people trapped under the rubble of a building that collapsed in the western cape of south africa. seven people were killed when the five—storey apartment block fell down in the coastal city of george. dozens of people remain unaccounted for. now to the devastating floods in brazil. more rain, and the threat of lightning and strong winds, have interrupted rescue efforts. 100 people are now known to have died in the state of rio grande do sul. dozens of people are missing and hundreds of thousands have been forced to leave their homes. and before we go: a look at a rare almost winter wonderland in santiago, chile. drone views captured santiago's metropolitan area after an unusual autumn snow

fall. more that 200,000 people have been affected by power outages. snow is rare for the city due to its dry temperate climate, with mild winters. that is it. i am caitriona perry. stay with us here on bbc news. hello. we've got a long—awaited spell of dry and sunny weather for many of us over the next few days. not quite dry everywhere. a bit of rain around across the far north of scotland. and we'll also see some misty, murky patches during the mornings. they could be a little bit slow to clear. so, not wall—to—wall blue skies for the next few days, but high pressure is bringing a lot of dry, settled weather, with light winds, too. now, we're likely to start thursday morning with that patchy rain in the far north—west, but further south, i think some mist and some fog patches around here and there, particularly so for parts of the southwest of england and wales. could be some mistiness creeping into east anglia. around some of these irish sea coasts, the isle of man, towards cumbria, some of that fog could be quite slow to clear. for scotland, there'll be some brighter spells across eastern areas — like aberdeenshire, for instance — but there'll be

more cloud and outbreaks of rain moving in across the western isles, parts of highland too. that rain looks like it eases away, pushes a little bit further northward. so for much of the uk, dry with sunny spells, and that's going to lift those temperatures to somewhere between around 19—22 degrees for many of us. just a little bit cooler across the north of scotland. now, through thursday evening, overnight into friday, we've got some more rain that'll push across parts of highland. elsewhere, dry once again, relatively mild temperatures — in double figures for many of us. but again, i think friday morning could see a few misty patches that will gradually clear away. so friday itself, i think longer spells of sunshine on offer, light winds and those temperatures probably up a degree or so. so more widely, we're looking at temperatures in the low 20s, possibly the mid—20s in the south. still a little cooler than that for stornoway and lerwick, for instance. into the weekend, high pressure still close, but it slips away towards the east, and that willjust open the doors for areas of low pressure to try and move in from the west. but i think saturday itself, a good deal of dry weather. cloud will tend to bubble up

through the day, and that could just spark off one or two showers, perhaps northern england, southern scotland, but they'll be hit—and—miss. temperatures are again up in the mid 20s — could see 2a in one or two places. similar start to the day on sunday, but you'll notice these showers trying to push in towards the west. they could be quite slow—moving, potentially heavy and thundery in places. where it does stay dry, probably towards the south and south—east, we could well see temperatures again in the mid—20s, but then it looks like the showers will dominate as we head into next week. so, more unsettled weather on the cards for the start of next week. still a little bit warmer than average, but not as warm as the next few days.

more boeing safety claims. a former quality inspector at the company's biggest supplier tells all. plus, you know k—pop. but have you heard p—pop? we catch up with one of the philippines' biggest sensations. hello and welcome to business today. i'm steve lai. let's begin with our top story. a former employee of boeing's biggest supplier has claimed that sections of 737 max aircraft regularly left its factory with serious defects. spirit aerosystems builds fuselages for the 737 max, which are then shipped

to boeing's own plant for final assembly. speaking publicly for the first time, former quality inspector santiago paredes told the bbc that some managers actively tried to discourage him from flagging up flaws in half—finished planes. 0ur reporter theo leggett asked him just how many problems he would typically find on aircraft reaching the end of the production line. anywhere from 50 to 100, 200. you were regularly finding more than 100 faults on a plane that was being shipped? oh, yeah. and that's because ijust inspect certain areas. so in totality, with all the inspectors, if you total them out, yeah, you'd be over the hundreds. now, you were picking up on these faults, you were highlighting them, you were flagging them up to be repaired. what kind of response did you get from your managers? did they support you? my managers weren't always there. the production managers always made a fuss about why i was finding it, why i was looking at it,

and they made a big fuss about everything