they need to start now, and some have, _ they need to start now, and some have, but — they need to start now, and some have, but some need to go faster. political_ have, but some need to go faster. political strategist and contributed to news nation and the we will be with the panel very shortly. the head of the who has warned that hospitals in southern gaza have only three days of fuel supplies left. israel says it has reopened the crossing to allow aid into the strip, but the un says none has been delivered yet. the us defence secretary has confirmed washington delayed pump shipments to israel over concerns. he said the

munitions were pause last week and new shipments were under review. the british prime minister has suffered a second defection in under a fortnight. the megabytes for dover has joined fortnight. the megabytes for dover hasjoined labour —— the mp. she also accused the pm of failing to deliver on his promise to stop the boat. analysis suggest that the world's oceans are struggling to deal with climate change effects, with temperature records up reading the broken last year. since may 2023, the average surface temperature is have exceeded the record for the time of year on every single day. warmer oceans have been linked to the mass bleaching of coral and the declining species. two months ago, the bosses of social media companies came face—to—face with children who have been taken

their own lives after being exposed to harmful my content. show their own lives after being exposed to harmful my content.— their own lives after being exposed to harmful my content. show them the ictures. to harmful my content. show them the pictures- would _ to harmful my content. show them the pictures. would you _ to harmful my content. show them the pictures. would you like _ to harmful my content. show them the pictures. would you like to _ pictures. would you like to apologise for what you've done to these good people?— the things that your family have suffered. — the things that your family have suffered, and this is why we have invested — suffered, and this is why we have invested so— suffered, and this is why we have invested so much. to make sure no one has— invested so much. to make sure no one has to — invested so much. to make sure no one has to go — invested so much. to make sure no one has to go through the types of things— one has to go through the types of things your family have. four years earlier, things your family have. four years earlier. mark _ things your family have. four years earlier, mark zuckerberg _ things your family have. four years earlier, mark zuckerberg made - things your family have. four years earlier, mark zuckerberg made a i earlier, mark zuckerberg made a similar apology to congress. if you believe the companies have gone far enough. today in the uk, ofcom published a new children safety code — a set of rules that will demand that they do more.

on bbc breakfast, the ofcom boss promised parents that any company that breaks this code will be named and shamed. h0??? that breaks this code will be named and shamed-— that breaks this code will be named and shamed. ., , ., ,.,, ., and shamed. how will you impose and veri their and shamed. how will you impose and verify their age? _ and shamed. how will you impose and verify their age? pretty _ and shamed. how will you impose and verify their age? pretty much all - verify their age? pretty much all latforms verify their age? pretty much all platforms have _ verify their age? pretty much all platforms have a _ verify their age? pretty much all platforms have a minimum - verify their age? pretty much all platforms have a minimum age. verify their age? pretty much all. platforms have a minimum age of 13, but they're _ platforms have a minimum age of 13, but they're not doing anything at the moment to enforce that. we note that 40% _ the moment to enforce that. we note that 40% of— the moment to enforce that. we note that 40% of 5-7 the moment to enforce that. we note that 40% of 5—7 —year—olds are currently — that 40% of 5—7 —year—olds are currently on _ that 40% of 5—7 —year—olds are currently on social media, i would say to _ currently on social media, i would say to any— currently on social media, i would say to any parents listening today, it is a _ say to any parents listening today, it is a very— say to any parents listening today, it is a very risky environment for chitdren— it is a very risky environment for children of— it is a very risky environment for children of primary school age. 13 and 14 children of primary school age. and 14 is children of primary school age. 13 and 14 is still child. 15 is still a child — and 14 is still child. 15 is still a child many— and 14 is still child. 15 is still a child. many tech _ and 14 is still child. 15 is still a child. many tech companies i and 14 is still child. 15 is still a - child. many tech companies assume that if— child. many tech companies assume that if you _ child. many tech companies assume that if you 15, — child. many tech companies assume that if you 15, that's _ child. many tech companies assume that if you 15, that's ok. _ child. many tech companies assume that if you 15, that's ok. it- that if you 15, that's ok. clearly isn't 0k that if you 15, that's ok. clearly isn't ok for 13—17 —year—olds to be on social media today— —year—olds to be on social media today given — —year—olds to be on social media today given that is not a safe environment.— today given that is not a safe environment. that parents have written to politicians _ environment. that parents have written to politicians to - environment. that parents have written to politicians to say - environment. that parents have written to politicians to say the | written to politicians to say the new rules don't go far enough.

technology secretary michelle donnellan was asked why the companies are waiting to remove the kind of suicide material that would be banned when the new online safety bill is fully implemented. mr; bill is fully implemented. my messa . e bill is fully implemented. ifi message here bill is fully implemented. m: message here is tech bill is fully implemented. m; message here is tech companies don't need to wait for the full implementation of this bill. they can start now — and some have, but they need to go further and faster. but we know they are waiting. horst but we know they are waiting. how can we make _ but we know they are waiting. how can we make the _ but we know they are waiting. how can we make the move? if - but we know they are waiting. how can we make the move? if we - but we know they are waiting. how can we make the move? if we canl can we make the move? if we can fully implement _ can we make the move? if we can fully implement the _ can we make the move? if we can fully implement the bill _ can we make the move? if we can| fully implement the bill tomorrow, can we make the move? if we can i fully implement the bill tomorrow, i would be doing it. what we don't want to do is do it so fast that it has lots of loopholes and or that they can easily litigate and get it chewed up in the course. of course, they were formed after molly russell took her own life in 2017. it was later revealed she viewed

thousands of images of and suicide online. the concern that seems to come across is that the technology companies will always follow the path of least resistance. are you confident that the children's charter will be enforced? evening, christian. today _ charter will be enforced? evening, christian. today was _ charter will be enforced? evening, christian. today was an _ charter will be enforced? evening, christian. today was an important | christian. today was an important step because those who have been campaigning for online safety legislation here in the uk for six long years have been waiting a long time to see a regulator set out how it intends to tackle harmful content. we saw good measures and what ofcom said today and we do think those proposals will need to be strengthened further, both by the regulator and also by the next government as well, with further legislation. ultimately, it's really important that we see a regulator having the strongest possible powers in its arsenal and really being

prepared to show his teeth. it's absolutely right. self—regulation has failed. we've seen a decade of companies that have washed their hands when it comes to child safety. they've been putting their own profits and their own bottom line before children safety and well—being. it's only if the incentives are there and companies are there have to comply. their consequences if they don't and we will start to see this wave of preventable harm. but will start to see this wave of preventable harm.— will start to see this wave of preventable harm. will start to see this wave of reventable harm. �* ., . preventable harm. but how much will be no? because _ preventable harm. but how much will be no? because the _ preventable harm. but how much will be no? because the one _ preventable harm. but how much will be no? because the one thing - preventable harm. but how much will be no? because the one thing that i be no? because the one thing that occurs to me — and they are employing hundreds to receive this — what technical skills will they have to access what a very complex algorithm —— what are very complex algorithms, and which are developing at some pace?— at some pace? well, they have assembled _ at some pace? well, they have assembled a _ at some pace? well, they have assembled a team _ at some pace? well, they have assembled a team of— at some pace? well, they have assembled a team of very - at some pace? well, they have i assembled a team of very strong

technical talents, and they do have the powers to lift up the bonnet and demanded to see platform algorithms, to demand information from the platforms. i think the technical skills are there. the real challenge will be whether ofcom is prepared to really go after these companies and show from day one of enforcement thatis show from day one of enforcement that is not prepared to put up with the status quo. i think it's more of an issue of ambition rather than the technical skill set, and that's where it's going to be so important that we see ofcom frankly demonstrate a little bit more ambition that we've seen so far. i think a lot of parents would agree with that. the fact that blew me away this morning just listening to the parents and — i actually think it was the secretary of state who brought it up — 40% of 5—7 —year—olds on social media. 40%. yet my 12—year—old is on social media and you can't stop children from

being online, so why is it so different —— from being on social media. why is it so difficult for these companies to put age verification and face recognition in place that would surely protect them? �* , , place that would surely protect them? 3 , . . place that would surely protect them? �*, , . ., ., them? let's be clear - that technology _ them? let's be clear - that technology exists - them? let's be clear - that technology exists today, i them? let's be clear - that| technology exists today, so regulation or not, the big social media platforms could introduce that today. i think it speaks volumes that even on the most basic part of their community standards, you have to be 13 to be able to join. they are choosing not to introduce the technology that then means those rules can be enforced. it is staggering and usually concerning we are talking about children of five, six, seven years old being able to go on social media with all the risks that they can without — child abuse, exposure to harmful content, suicide and self—harm content. it platforms —— if platforms are not putting that in place, regulators

should be prepared to go in hard and fast, because this is not good enough that we see children being able to go on platforms via exposed —— to be exposed to printable risks just because the companies are being negligent when it comes to enforcing their own laws. negligent when it comes to enforcing their own laws-— their own laws. justin green, i know ou take their own laws. justin green, i know you take it— their own laws. justin green, i know you take it particular _ their own laws. justin green, i know you take it particular interest. - their own laws. justin green, i know you take it particular interest. it - you take it particular interest. it seems to me that there's going to have to be an iron fist in velvet glove. these companies have to know legislators are serious. if they are going to force a conversation with the needs companies to do something different, because clearly, it's not happening quickly enough. i different, because clearly, it's not happening quickly enough.- happening quickly enough. i think that's right- _ happening quickly enough. i think that's right. in _ happening quickly enough. i think that's right. in essence, - happening quickly enough. i think that's right. in essence, today - happening quickly enough. i think that's right. in essence, today is. that's right. in essence, today is an important step forward, and no doubt _ an important step forward, and no doubt i_ an important step forward, and no doubt. i also think in many respects, _ doubt. i also think in many respects, their people like esther ghey— respects, their people like esther ghey introducing a ban on

smartphones. i think if they failed to do— smartphones. i think if they failed to do that — smartphones. i think if they failed to do that sufficiently and effectively, i think the voices for tougher— effectively, i think the voices for tougher action will only grow. if you look— tougher action will only grow. if you look at the levels of depression, anxiety, mental health issues _ depression, anxiety, mental health issues and — depression, anxiety, mental health issues and young people, you have to id issues and young people, you have to go back— issues and young people, you have to go back to _ issues and young people, you have to go back to 2014 when social media first started getting going, and they have dramatically risen. it's almost _ they have dramatically risen. it's almost as— they have dramatically risen. it's almost as if there is a direct correlation. part of it is platforms, part of it is working with _ platforms, part of it is working with schools and parents, and behind that since _ with schools and parents, and behind that since the regulation. what we all want _ that since the regulation. what we aii want to— that since the regulation. what we all want to see is a holistic approach _ all want to see is a holistic approach that cannot just rely on the tech — approach that cannot just rely on the tech platforms doing the right thing. _ the tech platforms doing the right thing. all— the tech platforms doing the right thing, all all that they need to. they're — thing, all all that they need to. they're growing up in a world that is far— they're growing up in a world that is far more — they're growing up in a world that is far more complicated and challenging in the one i grew up in. you're_ challenging in the one i grew up in. you're nodding, kurt. clearly this is not a problem unique to the uk.

we've seen the hearing in the congress where that answer for some of this. i wonder how we read balance the equations. they are putting a very addictive product out there to very vulnerable people. yeah, one of the real major challenges _ yeah, one of the real major challenges - _ yeah, one of the real major challenges — i— yeah, one of the real major challenges — i think- yeah, one of the real major challenges — i think this- yeah, one of the real major challenges — i think this is. yeah, one of the real major. challenges — i think this is true for pretty— challenges — i think this is true for pretty much _ challenges — i think this is true for pretty much any— challenges — i think this is true for pretty much any governingl challenges — i think this is true - for pretty much any governing body in the _ for pretty much any governing body in the world — for pretty much any governing body in the world - — for pretty much any governing body in the world — is _ for pretty much any governing body in the world — is that _ for pretty much any governing body in the world — is that the _ in the world — is that the technology— in the world — is that the technology outpaces - 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course of time, any technology has come into play, when i worked on. come into play, when i worked on capitoi— come into play, when i worked on capitol hill — come into play, when i worked on capitol hill and _ come into play, when i worked on capitol hill and the _ come into play, when i worked on capitol hill and the first _ come into play, when i worked on capitol hill and the first dealt - capitol hill and the first dealt with internet— capitol hill and the first dealt with internet regulation, - capitol hill and the first dealt with internet regulation, the| capitol hill and the first dealt - with internet regulation, the person who was— with internet regulation, the person who was the — with internet regulation, the person who was the chairman _ with internet regulation, the person who was the chairman of _ with internet regulation, the person who was the chairman of the - who was the chairman of the congressional— who was the chairman of the congressional community i who was the chairman of the congressional community in | who was the chairman of the - congressional community in charge of that got— congressional community in charge of that got his _ congressional community in charge of that got his information— congressional community in charge of that got his information by— congressional community in charge of that got his information by faxing - that got his information by faxing it to him — that got his information by faxing it to him every— that got his information by faxing it to him every day. _ that got his information by faxing it to him every day. he _ that got his information by faxing - it to him every day. he was supposed to be _ it to him every day. he was supposed to be in— it to him every day. he was supposed to be in charge — it to him every day. he was supposed to be in charge of— it to him every day. he was supposed to be in charge of the _ it to him every day. he was supposed to be in charge of the internet in - to be in charge of the internet in terms _ to be in charge of the internet in terms of— to be in charge of the internet in terms of regulation. _ to be in charge of the internet in terms of regulation. he - to be in charge of the internet in terms of regulation. he had no i to be in charge of the internet in i terms of regulation. he had no idea how to _ terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use — terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use it — terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use it i_ terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use it. i think— terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use it. i think it's— terms of regulation. he had no idea how to use it. i think it's often- how to use it. i think it's often the case — how to use it. i think it's often the case where _ how to use it. i think it's often the case where sometimes - how to use it. i think it's often| the case where sometimes the policymakers _ the case where sometimes the policymakers themselves - the case where sometimes the policymakers themselves are i the case where sometimes the -

policymakers themselves are outpaced in terms _ policymakers themselves are outpaced in terms of— policymakers themselves are outpaced in terms of their— policymakers themselves are outpaced in terms of their knowledge _ policymakers themselves are outpaced in terms of their knowledge and - in terms of their knowledge and expertise — in terms of their knowledge and exertise. ~ ., ., ,., in terms of their knowledge and exertise. ~ ., ., ., ., expertise. what about social media, what about al? _ expertise. what about social media, what about al? does _ expertise. what about social media, what about al? does this _ expertise. what about social media, what about al? does this get - what about al? does this get exponentially worse with the advent of ai? it exponentially worse with the advent of ai? ., , exponentially worse with the advent ofai? ., , , , , , of ai? it does because everything is ha enin: of ai? it does because everything is happening so _ of ai? it does because everything is happening so much _ of ai? it does because everything is happening so much quicker - of ai? it does because everything is happening so much quicker and - of ai? it does because everything is happening so much quicker and we | happening so much quicker and we are always— happening so much quicker and we are always playing — happening so much quicker and we are always playing catch—up, _ happening so much quicker and we are always playing catch—up, always- always playing catch—up, always playing — always playing catch—up, always playing behind _ always playing catch—up, always playing behind. we _ always playing catch—up, always playing behind. we see - always playing catch—up, always playing behind. we see a - always playing catch—up, always. playing behind. we see a problem always playing catch—up, always- playing behind. we see a problem and the consequences _ playing behind. we see a problem and the consequences of _ playing behind. we see a problem and the consequences of the _ playing behind. we see a problem and the consequences of the unintended i the consequences of the unintended problems— the consequences of the unintended problems and — the consequences of the unintended problems and we _ the consequences of the unintended problems and we try _ the consequences of the unintended problems and we try to _ the consequences of the unintended problems and we try to legislate - the consequences of the unintended problems and we try to legislate it. i problems and we try to legislate it. it's problems and we try to legislate it. it's almost — problems and we try to legislate it. it's almost backwards _ problems and we try to legislate it. it's almost backwards where - problems and we try to legislate it. it's almost backwards where you i problems and we try to legislate it. i it's almost backwards where you wish you could _ it's almost backwards where you wish you could have — it's almost backwards where you wish you could have it _ it's almost backwards where you wish you could have it so _ it's almost backwards where you wish you could have it so that _ it's almost backwards where you wish you could have it so that we - it's almost backwards where you wish you could have it so that we solve - you could have it so that we solve the problems— you could have it so that we solve the problems before _ you could have it so that we solve the problems before they- you could have it so that we solvej the problems before they become problems — the problems before they become problems. any— the problems before they become problems. any parent _ the problems before they become problems. any parent can- the problems before they become problems. any parent can tell - the problems before they become problems. any parent can tell you that their— problems. any parent can tell you that their children— problems. any parent can tell you that their children on _ problems. any parent can tell you that their children on their - problems. any parent can tell you that their children on their ipod i that their children on their ipod playing — that their children on their ipod playing whatever— that their children on their ipod playing whatever they're - that their children on their ipod i playing whatever they're playing, using _ playing whatever they're playing, using that — playing whatever they're playing, using that ipad, _ playing whatever they're playing, using that ipad, they're - playing whatever they're playing, i using that ipad, they're oftentimes more _ using that ipad, they're oftentimes more diverse — using that ipad, they're oftentimes more diverse tech _ using that ipad, they're oftentimes more diverse tech technology- using that ipad, they're oftentimes more diverse tech technology than| more diverse tech technology than their parents _ more diverse tech technology than their parents-— their parents. before i let you go, one thing that _ their parents. before i let you go, one thing that worries _ their parents. before i let you go, one thing that worries me - their parents. before i let you go, one thing that worries me is - their parents. before i let you go, one thing that worries me is i - their parents. before i let you go, one thing that worries me is i can | one thing that worries me is i can sort of get a feel for what my son is doing on social media and i have some access. what i don't have access to is my daughter's whatsapp. it's encrypted, its face recognition

to get into her whatsapp messages. i don't pry anyway, but you kind of want to know what's going on in there. do you have of you about encryption under the age of 18. end to end encryption under the age of 18. eric to end encryption is inherently risky. we are seeing levels of child abuse soaring year after year after year, we are seeing risks around groups that are looking to coerce children into acts of self—harm and even suicide, taking place on encrypted messaging app. lots of the pres feet —— privacy activists are heavily up false choice that it impossible to stand for images while maintaining end—to—end encryption. it's not actually what the technology enables us to do. a lot of this is about a false choice where those who want to prioritise privacy at all costs rather than

balancing privacy and safety of children, of adults and children, we can move towards a better compromise. so, end—to—end is important. it offers of privacy, but it doesn't have to be a false choice. regulators will have the power to then make tech companies change how they offer end—to—end encryption to strike back that balance. if and when we get to that point, there's going to be a battle. lots of tech companies and privacy activists will mount a ferocious opposition to that, but we can find a way through. a way that perfects children —— protects children and privacy. children -- protects children and riva . �* , . children -- protects children and riva . �*, . ., ., privacy. there's so much more of this on the _ privacy. there's so much more of this on the sac— privacy. there's so much more of this on the bbc website. - privacy. there's so much more of this on the bbc website. go - privacy. there's so much more of this on the bbc website. go and l this on the bbc website. go and have a look at that. lots of stuff from bbc practice. andy, thank you from coming on the programme. one line of breaking news. it has

come from greater manchester police. police say on wednesday, they arrested three men in northern england on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism. the statement here says, "we have executed a number of planned warrants as part of the ongoing counterterrorism investigation and further inquiries are continuing." i will bring you more on that if and when you get it. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's take a look at some of the other stories in the headlines. the new first minister of scotland, john swinney, has appointed kate forbes as his deputy. he'd promised her a significant role when she decided not to stand mr swinney has said his new cabinet will be "anchored" in the "centre left" of scottish politics. the bbc�*s discovered that an agency providing last—minute nursing staff to nhs hospitals in england and wales is routinely charging up to £2,000 per shift.

there's been increasing debate about the costs of using freelance health workers. prince harry has attended a service at st paul's cathedral in london during a brief visit to the uk. meanwhile, the king, whose cancer treatment is ongoing, met members of the public at a buckingham palace garden party a little over two miles away. the two are not scheduled to see each other while both are in london. we are told. you're watching bbc news. the us election will come down to six swing states, and in those states, it will be a referendum on the economic record of the two people who have occupied the oval office. today, joe biden is in wisconsin,

pushing back on what he would describe as "trump amnesia". biden is only ahead in one of these states, and the white house thinks donald trump is getting more credit than he's due. and so the president is hitting these swing states hard to try and show voters his three signature bills — infrastructure, clean energy and chips, or semiconductors are now creating the thousands of good paying jobs he promised. today, he was in racine county, unveiling a $3.3 billion investment by microsoft, in a new ai data centre. hundreds of millions of dollars from your taxes— hundreds of millions of dollars from your taxes to promise something that never— your taxes to promise something that never happens. fox con turned out to be just— never happens. fox con turned out to be just that, — never happens. fox con turned out to be just that, a con. today is another— be just that, a con. today is another example. microsoft president already— another example. microsoft president already pointed out, he's investing $3.3 billion to build a new data centre _ $3.3 billion to build a new data centre here. it's going to operate one of— centre here. it's going to operate one of the — centre here. it's going to operate one of the most powerful ai systems in the _ one of the most powerful ai systems in the world and i've gone around the world — in the world and i've gone around the world literally, not figuratively. but politico report today that one

of the problems president biden has is that a lot of the money he pledged is still sitting in government coffers. there were four major pieces of legislation the american rescue plan, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the so called chips act — that's semi—conductors — and the inflation reduction act — total around $1.6 trillion in spending. 1.1 trillion in direct investment. of that, less than 17% of that money had been spent by april this year. there is around 884 billion in the american rescue plan and the infrastructure act. only 125 billion has been spent, and of the 54 billion within the chips act. barely 700 million has gone out the door. the person that co wrote that article is politico's data journalistjessie blaeser. good to have you with us. it's a really interesting read. what is the

hold up and why is the money not going out the door?— hold up and why is the money not going out the door? that's a great cuestion going out the door? that's a great question and _ going out the door? that's a great question and thank— going out the door? that's a great question and thank you _ going out the door? that's a great question and thank you so - going out the door? that's a great question and thank you so much i question and thank you so much for having me. ithink question and thank you so much for having me. i think one point, our analysis focuses on infrastructure money in particular, so for an american rescue plan, that'sjust a small slice of that bill. i think the answer to your question about why it's taking so long for this money to go out is that this money has a lot of bureaucratic steps that has a lot of bureaucratic steps that has to clear before it's actually spent by the recipients who are getting the work, doing ever measure thatis getting the work, doing ever measure that is a large project or something very small. we see the money that is being moved to the process, itjust takes a while to get to the actual moment of spending. but takes a while to get to the actual moment of spending.— takes a while to get to the actual moment of spending. but like you riaht, this moment of spending. but like you right, this must _ moment of spending. but like you right, this must be _ moment of spending. but like you right, this must be priority - moment of spending. but like you | right, this must be priority number one, because he's only had in one of these critical races and the republicans think they are winning. do you think this pot of gold that is there could be the difference?

that's a great question. i think time will tell. one thing that will be interesting is being able to tell whether or not people on the ground recognise that the projects that might just recognise that the projects that mightjust be getting started in their area either come from federal dollars or if they've been pushed past the point of actually making a difference in their lives by the time the election comes around to actually influence their vote. i think there's a really big partisan divide that we've seen in terms of how people recognise this money in the work that is doing in their life and whether or not they're willing to give president biden the credit for it. . . to give president biden the credit for it. ., ., ., ., for it. there are a lot of the conservative _ for it. there are a lot of the conservative right - for it. there are a lot of the conservative right to - for it. there are a lot of the conservative right to say i for it. there are a lot of the conservative right to say no for it. there are a lot of the i conservative right to say no my question if we should be —— they should be spending that money. a lot of people would applaud it, though. i think that's something that we want to closely monitor. former president trump has said and been critical of the tax credits that are

part of the inflation reduction act in particular. the private investments are largely spurred by the ability and hope to receive those tax credits. if those suddenly go away, the equation changes, and that can go for a company level or an individual level because obviously, regular people living in the united states have now access to things like rebates to or their phone —— improve their home. if those credits disappear, it will change the calculus for how the intention of that money plays out. stay there, jessie. justine, who knew money wins elections? rishi sunak might have some sympathy with joe biden because he has not enough head room to cut the taxes. is it too little, too late in terms of the economy for rishi sunak? i

too little, too late in terms of the economy for rishi sunak?- economy for rishi sunak? i think we've seen _ economy for rishi sunak? i think we've seen a _ economy for rishi sunak? i think we've seen a very _ economy for rishi sunak? i think we've seen a very similar- economy for rishi sunak? i think i we've seen a very similar challenge to president biden. a lot has been announced — to president biden. a lot has been announced for levelling up, improving access opportunity across the uk _ improving access opportunity across the uk. but actually, not enough of it in a _ the uk. but actually, not enough of it in a sense — the uk. but actually, not enough of it in a sense has gone to the front line _ it in a sense has gone to the front line there's— it in a sense has gone to the front line. there's been a debate whether it's been— line. there's been a debate whether it's been the right kind of investment. we've seen high—speed to, which— investment. we've seen high—speed to, which is— investment. we've seen high—speed to, which is a big rail planned to provide more capacity —— hsz, to, which is a big rail planned to provide more capacity —— h52, and a bil provide more capacity —— h52, and a big part _ provide more capacity —— h52, and a big part was — provide more capacity —— h52, and a big part was cancelled. in a sense, the promise — big part was cancelled. in a sense, the promise ofjoe biden to people in terms _ the promise ofjoe biden to people in terms of— the promise ofjoe biden to people in terms of investment to create 'obs in terms of investment to create jobs is _ in terms of investment to create jobs is the — in terms of investment to create jobs is the right one, but i think both— jobs is the right one, but i think both countries have found delivering it is far— both countries have found delivering it is far harder. the other issue here _ it is far harder. the other issue here for— it is far harder. the other issue here for me _ it is far harder. the other issue here for me is the sense that politics— here for me is the sense that politics has all the answers. of course, — politics has all the answers. of course, tax incentives and government spending can drive change. — government spending can drive change, but part of this is

companies themselves starting to ask strategically how their opportunities can change lives for the better. i really think in that way, _ the better. i really think in that way, when _ the better. i really think in that way, when they work out who they recruit, _ way, when they work out who they recruit, where they put the schools in the _ recruit, where they put the schools in the far— recruit, where they put the schools in the far bigger agenda, i think can really— in the far bigger agenda, i think can really shift things faster than typical— can really shift things faster than typical government programmes. | typical government programmes. i look typical government programmes. look at typical government programmes. i look at the figures, kurt, and i have to say they are eye—watering amounts. the american economy is much bigger, but this is a really big concern here in europe. there's a lot of state backing for a lot of industry? i a lot of state backing for a lot of indust ? ., , , ., ., industry? i mean, this is one of the classic problems _ industry? i mean, this is one of the classic problems of _ industry? i mean, this is one of the classic problems of government i classic problems of government itself~ _ classic problems of government itself. government _ classic problems of government itself. government does - classic problems of government itself. government does a - classic problems of government itself. government does a lot i classic problems of governmentj itself. government does a lot of things— itself. government does a lot of things well, _ itself. government does a lot of things well, something - itself. government does a lot of things well, something that i itself. government does a lot of- things well, something that doesn't. they spend — things well, something that doesn't. they spend a — things well, something that doesn't. they spend a lot _ things well, something that doesn't. they spend a lot of— things well, something that doesn't. they spend a lot of money— things well, something that doesn't. they spend a lot of money in - things well, something that doesn't. they spend a lot of money in getting out the _ they spend a lot of money in getting out the door — they spend a lot of money in getting out the door. that's _ they spend a lot of money in getting out the door. that's kind _ they spend a lot of money in getting out the door. that's kind of- they spend a lot of money in getting out the door. that's kind of the i out the door. that's kind of the challenge — out the door. that's kind of the challenge we _ out the door. that's kind of the challenge we see. _ out the door. that's kind of the challenge we see. historic- out the door. that's kind of the| challenge we see. historic level spending — challenge we see. historic level spending approved _ challenge we see. historic level spending approved by— challenge we see. historic level spending approved by congress| challenge we see. historic level- spending approved by congress and president _ spending approved by congress and president biden— spending approved by congress and president biden over— spending approved by congress and president biden over the _ spending approved by congress and president biden over the last- spending approved by congress and | president biden over the last couple of years _ president biden over the last couple of years getting— president biden over the last couple of years. getting it _ president biden over the last couple of years. getting it out _ president biden over the last couple of years. getting it out the - president biden over the last couple of years. getting it out the door- president biden over the last couple of years. getting it out the door is i of years. getting it out the door is a totally— of years. getting it out the door is a totally different _ of years. getting it out the door is a totally different story. _

of years. getting it out the door is a totally different story. president trump _ a totally different story. president trump has — a totally different story. president trump has made _ a totally different story. president trump has made it— a totally different story. president trump has made it very— a totally different story. president trump has made it very clear- a totally different story. president trump has made it very clear if. a totally different story. president trump has made it very clear if he were _ trump has made it very clear if he were to _ trump has made it very clear if he were to win, — trump has made it very clear if he were towin, he— trump has made it very clear if he were to win, he will— trump has made it very clear if he were to win, he will put _ trump has made it very clear if he were to win, he will put the - trump has made it very clear if he were to win, he will put the spayl were to win, he will put the spay on all that _ were to win, he will put the spay on all that. whatever— were to win, he will put the spay on all that. whatever money— were to win, he will put the spay on all that. whatever money is - were to win, he will put the spay on all that. whatever money is not i all that. whatever money is not spent part— all that. whatever money is not spent part of— all that. whatever money is not spent part of biden _ all that. whatever money is not spent part of biden legacy, i all that. whatever money is not i spent part of biden legacy, trump said they— spent part of biden legacy, trump said they will _ spent part of biden legacy, trump said they will not _ spent part of biden legacy, trump said they will not spend _ spent part of biden legacy, trump said they will not spend that - spent part of biden legacy, trumpi said they will not spend that money and they— said they will not spend that money and they would _ said they will not spend that money and they would put _ said they will not spend that money and they would put a _ said they will not spend that money and they would put a hold - said they will not spend that money and they would put a hold on - said they will not spend that money and they would put a hold on all i and they would put a hold on all of that _ and they would put a hold on all of that there — and they would put a hold on all of that. there are _ and they would put a hold on all of that. there are very big _ that. there are very big implications— that. there are very big implications into - that. there are very big i implications into whether or that. there are very big - implications into whether or not somebody's_ implications into whether or not somebody's projects, _ implications into whether or not somebody's projects, if- implications into whether or not somebody's projects, if biden'sl i think the onus is on this administration _ i think the onus is on this administration to- i think the onus is on this administration to use i i think the onus is on this i administration to use every i think the onus is on this - administration to use every single day they— administration to use every single day they have _ administration to use every single day they have to _ administration to use every single day they have to get _ administration to use every single day they have to get that - administration to use every single day they have to get that money i administration to use every single i day they have to get that money out the door, _ day they have to get that money out the door, because _ day they have to get that money out the door, because you _ day they have to get that money out the door, because you can't- day they have to get that money out the door, because you can't tell a i the door, because you can't tell a story— the door, because you can't tell a story of— the door, because you can't tell a story of success, _ the door, because you can't tell a story of success, you _ the door, because you can't tell a story of success, you can't - the door, because you can't tell a story of success, you can't tell i the door, because you can't tell ai story of success, you can't tell the story _ story of success, you can't tell the story of _ story of success, you can't tell the story of progress _ story of success, you can't tell the story of progress if— story of success, you can't tell the story of progress if you _ story of success, you can't tell the story of progress if you don't - story of progress if you don't spend the money— story of progress if you don't spend the money that— story of progress if you don't spend the money that you _ story of progress if you don't spend the money that you said _ story of progress if you don't spend the money that you said you - story of progress if you don't spend the money that you said you would | the money that you said you would two or— the money that you said you would two or three — the money that you said you would two or three years _ the money that you said you would two or three years ago. _ the money that you said you would two or three years ago. that's i the money that you said you would two or three years ago. that's a i two or three years ago. that's a very— two or three years ago. that's a very big — two or three years ago. that's a very big contrast _ two or three years ago. that's a very big contrast and _ two or three years ago. that's a very big contrast and voters i two or three years ago. that's a i very big contrast and voters might say it's— very big contrast and voters might say it's nice — very big contrast and voters might say it's nice to— very big contrast and voters might say it's nice to to _ very big contrast and voters might say it's nice to to authorise - very big contrast and voters might say it's nice to to authorise it, i say it's nice to to authorise it, but where _ say it's nice to to authorise it, but where is _ say it's nice to to authorise it, but where is the _ say it's nice to to authorise it, but where is the proof - say it's nice to to authorise it, but where is the proof in i say it's nice to to authorise it, but where is the proof in the i say it's nice to to authorise it, i but where is the proof in the back yard? _ but where is the proof in the back yard? that's— but where is the proof in the back yard? that's why— but where is the proof in the back yard? that's why we _ but where is the proof in the back yard? that's why we have - but where is the proof in the back yard? that's why we have this i yard? that's why we have this disconnect _ yard? that's why we have this disconnect. the _ yard? that's why we have this disconnect. the perception. yard? that's why we have this disconnect. the perception of| yard? that's why we have this i disconnect. the perception of the agendam — disconnect. the perception of the auenda..., ,, disconnect. the perception of the aaenda... ,, , . .,

agenda... jessie, is the chief of staff running — agenda... jessie, is the chief of staff running around _ agenda... jessie, is the chief of| staff running around washington ripping up the rule book hoping they can shovel out the door? it’s a ripping up the rule book hoping they can shovel out the door?— can shovel out the door? it's a good cuestion. can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard _ can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard of— can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard of red _ can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard of red tape i can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard of red tape is - can shovel out the door? it's a good question. blizzard of red tape is a i question. blizzard of red tape is a very interesting image to imagine! laughter i think to some degree, it might be right. i think the administration is measuring this progress through what they call announcements of awards. they're making the moves to select recipients to do their due diligence and make sure those recipients are the right people to put them, to give the money and make sure they are doing theirjob correctly. no matter what, that takes time. when you think about the fact that even though the administration bylaw has years to spend all of these hundreds of billions of dollars, the 8th of november electoral deadline is looming pretty large in comparison. whether or not people will see it in time her mind to be seen. kurt. whether or not people will see it in

time her mind to be seen.- time her mind to be seen. kurt, or use surprised _ time her mind to be seen. kurt, or use surprised given _ time her mind to be seen. kurt, or use surprised given went - time her mind to be seen. kurt, or use surprised given went donald . use surprised given went donald trump said yesterday? , sorry, kurt. i think it's not much of us a surprise _ i think it's not much of us a surprise given— i think it's not much of us a surprise given what - i think it's not much of us a surprise given what biden i i think it's not much of us a - surprise given what biden pointed out, that— surprise given what biden pointed out, that the _ surprise given what biden pointed out, that the places _ surprise given what biden pointed out, that the places that - surprise given what biden pointed out, that the places that he - surprise given what biden pointed out, that the places that he is- out, that the places that he is going — out, that the places that he is going or— out, that the places that he is going or he _ out, that the places that he is going or he is _ out, that the places that he is going or he is announcing - out, that the places that he is going or he is announcing jobl going or he is announcing job creation, _ going or he is announcing job creation, economic— going or he is announcing job creation, economic creation, i going or he is announcing job. creation, economic creation, are things— creation, economic creation, are things that — creation, economic creation, are things that trump _ creation, economic creation, are things that trump promised - creation, economic creation, are things that trump promised the i creation, economic creation, are - things that trump promised the same thing _ things that trump promised the same thing they— things that trump promised the same thing they never— things that trump promised the same thing. they never materialise. - things that trump promised the same thing. they never materialise. he's. thing. they never materialise. he's making _ thing. they never materialise. he's making some — thing. they never materialise. he's making some interesting _ thing. they never materialise. he's| making some interesting decisions. he's skipping — making some interesting decisions. he's skipping his— making some interesting decisions. he's skipping his son's _ making some interesting decisions. he's skipping his son's graduation i he's skipping his son's graduation to do— he's skipping his son's graduation to do a _ he's skipping his son's graduation to do a fundraising _ he's skipping his son's graduation to do a fundraising event. - he's skipping his son's graduation to do a fundraising event. how. he's skipping his son's graduation to do a fundraising event. how hei to do a fundraising event. how he uses _ to do a fundraising event. how he uses his— to do a fundraising event. how he uses his time _ to do a fundraising event. how he uses his time is _ to do a fundraising event. how he uses his time is perplexing - to do a fundraising event. how he uses his time is perplexing to- to do a fundraising event. how he uses his time is perplexing to say| uses his time is perplexing to say the least — uses his time is perplexing to say the least ti— uses his time is perplexing to say the least. , ., , ., the least. if you win, you win. ma be the least. if you win, you win. maybe he _ the least. if you win, you win. maybe he thinks _ the least. if you win, you win. maybe he thinks he _ the least. if you win, you win. maybe he thinks he can - the least. if you win, you win. maybe he thinks he can do - the least. if you win, you win. l maybe he thinks he can do that! jessie, great to talk to you. i love crossover stories. jessie, great to talk to you. i love crossoverstories. it's jessie, great to talk to you. i love crossover stories. it's amazing how similar we are in terms of the spending ahead of elections later this year. thank you for coming on. we are going to take a short break. we will be right back.

hello there. it's been another pretty decent day up and down the country, but weather fronts have brought some rain to the north and west of scotland, more of a breeze here, as well. though much of the country should continue to stay dry and settled. for the rest of the week, we'll continue with these early—morning mist and fog patches which could be quite dense, but very quickly, the strong may sunshine will burn it away and most places will see sunshine throughout the afternoon. so, the rain continues to splash into the north and west of scotland through the overnight period. it will tend to become more confined to the north of scotland by the end of the night. much of northern ireland, england and wales will be largely dry. there's a few clear spells around, but also some patchy cloud — low cloud, at that —

some mist and fog developing, too. those temperatures, 8—11 celsius. so, this is the picture for thursday — high pressure sitting pretty much on top of the uk. this weather front continues to push northwards to bring more rain to northern scotland, but once again, tomorrow morning, we could see some dense mist and fog patches first thing. but very quickly, the strong may sunshine will melt it away, we should start to see widespread sunshine for england and wales, northern ireland, central and southern scotland. it looks like the rain will become confined to the far north highlands and the northern isles through the day, so turning drier there. could see up to 20 celsius or so in central and southern scotland. 19—20 for belfast, 22—23 in the warmer spots for england and wales. as we move through thursday night, it looks like it will it looks like it'll stay dry once again — light winds, a bit of mist and fog developing here and there. still a few spits and spots of rain for the north of scotland as that weather front loiters around.

and it could be a little milder as well to start friday, 9—12 celsius. friday, anotherfine—looking day, plenty of sunshine around. a bit more cloud across scotland, but even here, it should be dry, including the north of scotland. light southerly breezes, those temperatures reaching the mid—20s for the warmest spots in england and wales, up to 21 celsius for the central belt of scotland, 20 there for belfast. high pressure continues to bring fine weather into the weekend, but as it pulls away to the east, it starts to allow low pressure and weather fronts to gang up on us from the south and from the west, so it will start to turn more unsettled gradually. could see some heavy showers across scotland on saturday, warm and sunny elsewhere. could be very warm in the south on sunday — increasing chance of showers and thunderstorms, though, later on sunday.